I should probably go into further detail in my situation. At around year 24-25 of our marriage my oldest son came home from college and announced that he is gay. As you can imagine i am crushed. My wife knew about this 11/2 years before he told me and she did not say a word to me about it until he told me. This was the beginning of our troubles. My wife began to express her support for his sexual preference and encouraged him to be himself. She attends pride parades and volunteers to hand out condoms and needless to the gays and drug addicts. She comes from a family of good people but there are a lot of family secrets. 4-5 of her cousins and a uncle are gay. I did not know this before we were married. My trust in her has wavered ever since my son made his announcement and all of this came to light.

Note: i actually dislike politics but i am very much apposed to the liberal ideology. I am not perfect by no means but i do try to do the right thing.

my question would be: does the progressive church's teachings/sermons/ACTIONS align with what Jesus taught us?

(and I would remind everyone here, that Jesus did NOT petition the secular government of the time (Rome) to feed the poor, etc. etc. He told His followers to do those things.)

X2. How’s that turn the other cheek thing worked out for us!!

I feel your pain. I grew up in a very conservative Baptist family and it makes me sick seeing what has happened to the SBC. I’ve attended a small Catholic Church for 30 years now and we all know what direction the church in Rome has went the last 40 years. That being said it’s the most conservative church I’ve been in not counting the Baptist church I was raised in, so I guess I’m saying whatever denomination you are, fight like heck to keep your church conservative.

Turning the other cheek doesn't mean to surrender on your convictions.

I went back a read this entire string of comments. A few different assumptions on "progressive" which automatically gets tied to far left wing non-sense. But for the extreme right wingers that are at the polar opposite end, do you view is as OK for a pastor or priest to take bible versus out of context and then use it to preach fear into people? I grew up Lutheran, went Catholic churches for a while, and went back to Lutheran. Was put through parochial schools until my last year in highschool. My significant memories of school was how many of the pastors were liars. So frequently things were taken out of context or just made up stories. You got disciplined for questioning. Yet, looking up versus and reading back it was disgusting how the bible was used as a tool to create fear. Hard to explain how much that turned me off to organized religions.

Shortly after high school, out hunting and sitting on rock out-crop near Diamond Mountain in Colorado I had that moment. That moment I knew God. I knew there was a creator and what I had read - not what I was told - is real! So when I attend a church service that is solely delivering a message of spreading fear, I walk away from that hypocrite. Not walking away from God, but just the person that thinks they can live by different standards of lying and preaching false narratives "in the name of God".

This isn't all Lutheran or Catholic pastors/priests, just the majority that I have encountered. But the most welcoming pastor I ever met was a Lutheran pastor in Racine, WI. I had moved away and he since retired. Wish all pastors would have been like him.

I would condemn anyone standing in a position of authority who is purposely taking scripture out of context for personal gains. No matter which side or which aisle they are on. I think a lot of people have run from the church due to what you describe. I also believe any church who tries to condemn someone for asking intellectually honest questions needs a new staff asap. I love hearing different opinions on scripture (or anything for that matter). If my argument for my side of something can’t stand up to a different opinion then I either need to become more knowledgeable about the thing I believe or change what I believe to what makes more sense.

OP, I feel for you. Your wife, if grounded in faith before, is wrestling with the faith that would push back on your son being able to live whatever life makes him happy. She probably knows that, short of a miracle; he’s unlikely to die to himself so he can live for Christ. That’s a tough thing for any parent to wrestle with I imagine. It sounds like she’s trading the truth of Christ for the lie that keeps her closer to her son. Jesus tells us that families will be ripped apart due to the gospel. I don’t know that beating her over the head with truth is the right answer, but I also don’t know what else is. Jesus operated in both truth and grace. The progressive churches seem to operate in a lot of grace with a little truth, while their conservative counterparts often choose truth over the grace portion of it. Prayers for your family to be able to work through this

Religion and politics are not separate in my opinion. Our Christian based country has been invaded by Muslims. Why? Non governmental originizations (NGO) have supported the invasion. Who are the NGO’s Lutheran and Catholic based organizations. They sell themselves as Christian’s.

We are in a period in history where the Bible makes it clear in Ephesians 6:12, For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places!

My advice is for you and your wife turn to the Bible for guidance in your relationship putting first the saving grace of our Lord Jesus Christ as your PERSONAL SAVIOR and move forward and heal your marriage.

Signs of the times are everywhere don’t be deceived!

OH SNAP

I would confront her about keeping such a huge secret from you for 1 1/2 years. That's a huge breach of trust. As for her handing out condoms and needles to sinners, well, subsidizing misbehavior (or ANY behavior) results in more of that behavior. Jesus wants us to forgive sin but he doesn't want us to promote it, which is the road she is walking. She sounds very confused.

Of course He did. Just who do you think the Pharisees and Saducees that he challenged at the temple were if not the Democrats and Republicans of the Jewish Sanhedron?

Yes, we his followers are instructed to but no where in scripture are we prohibited from petitioning our leaders to be fair and just and we are to hold them to account.

Now, I dont think it is the appropriate role of the civil magistrate to provide food as that is inherently unjust to the one that the food was taken from and unjust to the one who was fed when he should earn his own food.

Very tough situation. Im not sure anyone can give a correct answer not knowing everything about your situation. God doesn't like divorce but I also believe he doesn't want us living in a situation where Satan and sin is pulling us down. I hope you have a close enough relationship with the Trinity that you can seek and hear guidance from the Holy Spirit. I myself am way too black and white in my reasoning and for good or bad my wife would have probably heard enough from me by now she would be the one filing or changing. Promotion of sin wouldn't be living long in my house.

please reference the passages in the Bible where Jesus petitioned Rome for ANYTHING.

The Sadducees and Pharisees were RELIGIOUS leaders, not Roman leaders. That's why they had to go before Pontius Pilate to have Jesus crucified...they lacked the power to do so themselves. ROME was the secular government of that area, at that time.

Jesus was tried before the Sanhedron, the local political unit under Rome. Next rung the Prefect Pontius Pilate for the province of Judea. The Sanhedron was definitely political as well as religious.

BTW, further argument for seperation of church and state and the true reason not freedom from religion.

If anything it denotes petitioning our local magistrates, though the Apostle Paul would exercise his right as a roman citizen to directly petition Rome.

Talk about some theological gymnastics.

Your arguement of christian non involvement in governance flies totally in the face of the biblical record.

Joseph, Mordecai and Esther, Daniel, Samuel, John the Baptist among many.

I'm thinking Pilar of salt .......


Way toooooooo late .....



You are in a very tough situation ......2zwudz ......it would leave me with a very troubled mind......prayers for you and your family

I didn't say Biblical fathers weren't involved with secular government, I said JESUS wasn't.

still waiting for the passages where Jesus petitioned Rome...

We're talking past each other here. You say rome and I say He spoke to his local leadership. No, He didnt run for congress or march on Rome but He definitely spoke and called upon people both citizen and leader to repentence and God.

As for involvement goes no He held no office or title or wanted one but He did as we are to do by example speak to all regardless of station. You can say that's not "political" and it not technically but it is speaking to the the society we desire which is ultimately political in how we relate to each other.

Sounds like the church she sought out is to fit her new way of thinking. imo