Many here supported forced vaccination. And had strong negative feeling tword those that chose to use their heads and not buy into the scam with changing narrative. Im sure they will make excuses and double down now still and get this post deleted.

They will just be quite and hope no one remembers

Name & Shame, my memory ain't good enough

Many of us who refused the jabs strongly suspected from the beginning that they were ineffective and possibly dangerous. As time went on and complications became more obvious despite attempted cover ups our suspicions seemed more and more likely to be true.

It really ticks me off when I think about all the bull crap the federal and state governments put us through over this stuff. It's got to be one of the biggest scams ever perpetrated on the American people.

I was shocked and disgusted by how many Americans turned out to be sheep and blindly followed the governments instructions to be injected multiple times with unproven, minimally tested vaccines.

I wonder if this would change the status of emergency use protections, since the government that authorized emergency use knew of adverse reactions?

So who is going to be held accountable for the manslaughter of my 23 year old healthy crewman who died of cardiac arrest a month after he was forced by his school to get both the first covid shot and then the booster ten days later?
If that were my son, someone would be paying a mighty steep price.

Bioweapon for sure....Everyone involved needs to go down hard.

Trump too?

everyone.

But of course no one will.

Haha no silly-he’s the savior. You will be condemned!!

Anyone looked into peptides and how hard big pharma is pushing back against them? Makes me automatically think they're just fine

This was my covid mask. I simply refused to enter anyplace requiring a mask. The few times I could not this was my mask.

Sure took a lot of flack on my covid stance here on TMan

This all occurred after he was out of office but if he was aware and gave the green light, he should go down hard also.

Nothing will be done
They just like us common folk to think there's hope
And there's an election coming up

Yep. Mask, 6’ apart, ivermectin, the jab, etc… those of us that just ask questions were called nuts and grandma killers by the government, media and many on here

You'd think folks would catch on eventually, but it doesn't seem to happen.

I guess operation warp speed was a mistake.

All I know as trappers be sure to "read the sign" the next time something like this happens. Obviously we can't always trust government officials.

I know you guys think a lot about Trump, but I doubt that he was personally doing the efficacy and safety testing of these vaccines.

He may have feelings of being forced as many did but they made a choice becuse they thought the loss to them exceeded the risk. Its bs but it was not forced. Two bad choices for sure. But there was a choice.

Personal example. I told my wife if work told me I need to take the shot or get fired I would make them fire me. They never did require it so that never happened but I made the choice my health and values are more important than the job. Even though its the best job I have and will ever have.

I trust that my doctor knows more about medicine than I do. I take my guidance from him rather than Fox news, Trapperman, RFK, or the likes. He may not be perfect, but I am doing just fine after the vaccines. He does not push his opinion on me.

Trump and I both got the Covid vaccine. I am doing fine. He is a little unstable at times, so maybe there is something to be concerned about.

Operation Warp Speed was never set up to be mandatory. That came later.

Did you read the article?

What was interesting is you didn't have to be too medically inclined to see the dangers if you were willing to think for yourself. And time and evidence coming out has proven that. Lot of push to get people to stop doing that. Just trust us and dont question anything. That for me is the big issue that came out of this.

Cliffsnotes: .Gov had data showing adverse reactions with the mRNA vaccines but suppressed that information from public view.
I'm old enough to remember .gov saying it was safe and effective.

You're lucky. Many people suffered ill effects. It was proven too.

The sad part is that the effects of those that were vaxed or forced due to work requirements, may yet develop complications of the vaccine in the future. I have have had several conversations with physician friends about this since this all began.

They both agreed with my concerns and thoughts of my suspicions regarding the Covid vaccine. Both declined to take the vax and did not force their nurses and staff to take the vax. It was a voluntary decision.

They took some heat with their decisions at the time but they turned out to be very accurate with their assessments of the drug.

Since that time they both have lost patients to suspected Vax complications and some patients still fighting suspected continuing affects.

This will give you an idea of what the Jab did for the US. www.openvaers.com

I don’t like many politicians. Trump and Mike Lee are the exceptions, but I’m not a cheerleader for either and don’t worship either of them, they are politicians. 15 days to slow the virus down was a huge mistake then and we knew it. Warp speed was and is a disaster. That being said I think Trump was being fed a ton of bs just like the we all were.

Accountability starts at the top.

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.go...ump-operation-warp-speed-vaccine-summit/

Might as well toss the flu shot into this discussion. Guess I have taken twenty. Had the flu once.

Once again an article on .gov's[/b] suppression of critical information[b], under another administration at that, some how becomes the present administration's fault. SMH

The disciples don't like talking about Operation Warp Speed.

I’m sure some don’t, but the other side pretended to have a mentality functioning President from 2020-2024 just saying

What a tool.

Given a choice, I followed the advice of my doc at the time, and got vaccinated. My wife followed the advice of her doc at Mayo Clinic. Both of us were in our early 70s and, as such, we were at great risk of getting Covid-19. We got the shots, followed by the boosters, and beat Covid until January of this year.

We followed what we thought then, and still think now, was/is good strong medical advice. None of these docs suggested injecting bleach, or taking ivermectin, or something else that was not approved for human use. If this makes me crazy, well, think what you will. We’re alive. As opposed to the thousands who died in this country who decided NOT to be vaccinated.

That's the part that always gets me.

The question i asked my Dr when asking him about the shot. After me running back down the info he tols me back to him.

Me " so you can still catch and transmit covid but the symptoms will be less" Dr "correct" Me covid symptoms range from not knowing you have it to death," DR "correct" me "so how are you determining if a person would have been one that didn't know they had covid or would have died, you have no way of knowing where they would fall with or without the shot" Dr. " um well um becuse you will tell me how your feeling" me " yes but you have no way of knowing if I would be one that would have not known i had it or would have died and no way of knowing if the shot made a difference at all. Infact if it does work like you say making symptoms less more people should be in the have covid and not know it camp so moving around like normal not staying home, and since they can still spread covid they will be spreading it while doing so. Sounds like the shot is going to make things worse if it does what you say.
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I know friends, and relatives, that "followed the science", every jab and boosters....EVERYONE has had Covid multiple times.....believe what you want.

Imagine a disease so deadly and the risks were so great, being symptomless was one of the symptoms!

“Stay home save lives” was a lie

“We’re in this together” was a lie

“Two weeks to slow the spread” was a lie

“Masks help prevent the spread” was a lie

“Super spreader events” was a lie

“The vaccine is a dead end for Covid” was a lie

“You’re not going to get Covid if you have these vaccines” was a lie

“Breakthrough cases are rare” was a lie

“The shot is 100% effective” was a lie

“Only two shots to get your life back” was a lie

“You just need to get the third one” was a lie

“The fourth one offers the most protection” was a lie

“A million people died of Covid” was a lie

“Pandemic of the unvaccinated” was a lie

“Winter of severe illness and death” was a lie

“Nobody was forced to take it” is a lie

“The vaccines saved millions” is a lie

“Nobody is injured or dying from the shot” is a lie

It’s all lies.

Wouldn't you like to have known the possible side effects of the mRNA vaccine or are you fine that .gov said it was safe when .gov knew full well that it wasn't? I started this thread not as an anti-vaccine thread, it was simply a thread to inform my fellow trappers what .gov has done to the very people it governs.

Spjones I agree with your list except for no one being forced to take it. At least down here they were both holding people down giving them shots.

They did threaten them with job loss if they didnt get the shot. Then they made the choice to take it to stay employed. So was still a choice just not a good choice.

I do know a lady that got bells palsy about that time , they told her it was stress , she would have been about 35 at the time.

I’m no lawyer but coerced, is a soft form of being forced

I know 3 people that had heart issues very soon after geting the shot.

I never got the shot but did get covid and flue B. Found out I had it at the trapping convention when I could not smell coyote bait at a vender. It clicked that my tea they morning was not watered down but I could not taste it and I left fast not wanting to spread it.

AND a few months later they didnt know if i had long covid or MS. Turns out its MS. I think covid had something to do with the on set of MS but cant prove it. May not be related at all. Thats when it all started though.

Edit decided to do a search
. Increased Risk: Research from Örebro University suggests a link between severe COVID-19 and a subsequent MS diagnosis. While rare, this indicates COVID-19 may act as a trigger, similar to other viruses like EBV.

I may be correct about covid triggering my MS. Now im also willing to admit had i gotten the shots i would wrongly blaim MS on the shot.

I have told several Drs trying to talk me into something I was not comfortable with that we were discussing my health and not theirs. Drs repeat whatever they are told by pharmaceutical companies and CDC among others.

You're right Danny. I don't figure doctors were informed of the adverse reactions either. They were likely doing what .gov recommended.

That was the intent yes. But there still was a choice no gun to the head. They chose the outcome they saw as best of bad choices for them. Then complain upset they didnt have the balls to make the choice they wanted probably becuse they are debt slaves in the system. I made the choice I would loose my job before taking the shot ahead of time. Fortunately I didnt have to follow through life would be much different now without the last several of my highest earning years of my life that enabled me to no longer be a debt slave.

This sums it up better than anything else I've read.

I'm just glad I never ran completely out of toilet paper during that time. I woulda wound up with a lot of sleeveless t shirts.

And don't forget the reefer units and hospital ships anchored in big city ports to handle the soon-to-be-overwhelming amount of dead and dying.