I’m seeing more and more kids get labeled as having this and getting put on medication. Read an article not too long ago about it.
If I was a kid today,, they probably would have medicated me too.
I was placed in a learning disability class,, not special education,, just a special class I had to go to to help me better understand classroom stuff.

I had 2 things stacked against me..I did have a hearing impairment that no one knew how bad it was until I was 13…and I was just simply uninterested in certain subjects.
I especially hated math.

I would much rather be out running around the creeks somewhere than being in a stuffy classroom.
And most of the time that’s were my thoughts were..
Until I was in history class, science ( I loved biology) but most everything else was boring.

I did manage to be a c average student…

I just think kids are put on dope today because it’s easier than to change a certain way of making things more interesting for them,,, I dunno.

ADHD medicine when we were kids was "go outside and play".

ADHD can be a lot of different things to a lot of people

in many ways it is your old survival instincts stuck in a modern world.

your ability to notice motions , patterns , changes

an ability to hyper focus on that one task

but stuck in a modern world where they want the most education out of the fewest dollars and settled on a particular approach to teaching.

and actual ADHD person often learns faster than the teacher could even present it , IF it is their focus.

there is actually a high likelihood that if you did ok in school but not great and are a good trapper , you are ADHD

there are so many types and symptoms not everyone is the same ADHD by far.

I have known since I was 8 , I was on meds till the 8th grade

I just learned to work with it.

that dope , doesn't make thinks more interesting , it slows them down so they fit in with the rest of the class. the ADHD drugs are not downers , they are uppers given to a person who responds backwards , give them a stimulant and they slow down.
this is why mothers would steal from the kids Med supply they could stay up all night on a energy rush cleaning the house and having the energy to do it.

My ex daughter-in-law thought our grandson had it when he was a child when my son took him to the Dr to get checked out the ex was there basically telling the Dr he had it and wanted him on meds guess thr Dr told her on no uncertain terms that he didnt prescribe medicine unless a patient really needed it and the child didnt need it.she was (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) to say the least but didnt pursue it any further.he just got 3 awards Monday night 1 having a 4.0 average for grades putting him on the high honor roll.hes a junior in high school and by the way he's a outstanding athlete as well.sometimes Dr's do know best.

Don't know her but maybe she was wanting the prescription. Adderall is an abused drug.

I agree with you. There are a ton of kids diagnosed with adhd, I feel like a lot of them are adhd, so many can just not function without medication but that begs the same question, why? I think it’s a combination of things, every kid you see these days has a phone or video game and spends too much time on them. Many can’t even carry on a conversation with you, also everything we eat is so full of chemicals, we will never know the extent of that problem. Seems like doctors want us to be taking medication for any little thing! I’ve been a RN for over 35 yrs, ER and cardiology primarily and I’ll do a lot things before I’ll take cholesterol medication or blood pressure medication. Trust me when I tell you there is a reason we in this country pay several times what the rest of the world pays on healthcare but our outcomes are nowhere tops for most things.

having ADHD does not mean you do bad in school , you can absolutely do well in school as an ADHD person

I have 2 kids that are definitely ADHD diagnosed but not medicated and did very well in school high school and college , there was challenges in grade school , once they had the skills they were incredible learners.

my wife took 7 years off work to homeschool them through much of grade school and middle school

my oldest graduated 4th in her high school and Magna cum Laude in college

my youngest has a 4.0 going into their final semester of college.

Is ADHD a thing. Yes , they have legitimately done multiple brain scans of people with ADHD vs normal people and it's just a fact our brains work differently in very obvious ways . It's like one of the lobes of the brain is way more active or something dont quote me

Now the big thing is why is it *just now* becoming an issue or talked about more ....well one.. science and new medical deals ( similar with what happened with PTSD )and two the world changed. Back in y'all's days where you had recess , shop classes , played out side all the time ect as the norm , ADHD people just had more outlets to get our/ their fixes persay. Nowdays however when they don't , e eyon wants there kinda to just sit in a desk not move , schools are severely limiting more free thought, hands on stuff like shop classes ect , wellll that's when you start getting problems. There's no outlet. The the kid goes home and mom just wants to sit him in front of a TV or I pad again no outlet. So then these kids start basically going stir crazy and causing issues because in a way they can't do what there programed to.

It's kinda like how you'll see these soccer moms get a working dog like a blue heeler and loose it when it's running around biting and chasing at everyone and everything or it just basically get lethargic and depressed. And no amount of beating or whooping or meds can really fix it past making the things a zombie..Its has no outlet to do what it was born to do . Same goes for people .

And back to the world changing, it's becoming kinda hostile towards alot of folks with ADHD used to be wanting to think for your self, come up with ideas , invent ,work with your hands , wanting to do stuff was really sought after. But now days more and more that's seen more as a problem people want you to just toe the line follow the leader , dont ask questions, be happy don't upset the apple cart. For ADHD people who's brains legit just don't operate like that were seen as an issue and need to be medicated and all that jazz .

I mean if you see someone like me , where I physically have to be building, or modding or asking a million questions or just doing something or I get kinda coo koo that's prime ADHD .

Now a big big big issue is when every slightly overwhelmed mom starts self diagnosing there kids and using it as an excuse.
" O yeah I know little billy cussed out a teacher and is constantly failing classes , but he's got ADHD you know "
And in reality little billy is just a spoiled lil turd who does what he wants because she's a crappy parent. That or what I've seen and what happened with me and the wife some the kid is the polar opposite of the parents, parents don't Wanna really do what the kid does so they go to the doc they get them on some pills to try and make them " normal " or more " manageable" shoot I see it going on with my nephew right now .

Just the two cents from a guy who legitimately clinically diagnosed with it and who's been around the ringer with it

As noted by others here, ADHD is a diagnosable executive order disfunction of the brain. I tend to agree with the theory that it is a holdover from more primitive times that was a built in survival mechanism and advantage for hunters which over time became a disadvantage in today's society.
I was diagnosed at 49 years old after self diagnosing and being sent to a specialist for confirmation. People used to joke and tease me about being an ADHD kid, but nobody (parents, teachers, doctors, etc) ever seriously suggested I may actually have had it. Since I was academically high achieving, I think that led people to assume I was just a bit squirrely so nobody really looked into it because there was no problem to solve.
When I first met my wife (30 years in Early Education), she actually asked me if I was on medicine for my ADHD... which I did not think I had LOL. She looked me dead in the eye and said "You absolutely have ADHD, I can't believe nobody ever told you or tried to help." Of course, I thought she was crazy and this was 15 years before I was diagnosed.
I won't get into "why" I self diagnosed, but I can tell you that 25 minutes after taking my first dose of meds my life changed immediately for the better and I wished I had gotten help years ago.
That is not to say there haven't been challenges getting the correct medicine and then getting dosages dialed in but absolutely overall positive outcomes for me.
I managed without help or medicine or a name for what I was dealing with for nearly 5 decades... I would never criticize anyone who chose to tough it out, nor would I criticize someone who decided to ask for help - you have to do what's right for you.
Just know that there is an equally big and equally dishonest money machine behind telling people that certain medicines are bad or that certain disorders are fake as there is pushing positive big-pharma messaging. Nobody is going to advocate for you and your interests as hard as you will... you can't leave it up to others. The research is there.

Butt whipping or get outside when we were young lol

I have been labeled adhd since I was a kid took meds in elementary school . Quit by middle school

About 12 years ago I went back to the doc about it after a cousin was telling me how incredibly great being able to focuse was for people like us. He described with out to a t and with sounded nice.

The doc prescribed a low RX of Adderall. And it was incredible I could focus, mine was clear and I got so much done. But I built up a tolerance quickly and the rx keep being increased until it got so high he couldn't increase it any more. Since it was no longer working and I did more reading on side effects and it sounded like it was not good for me I stopped taking it. When it worked it was great. If that how other people function without meds they must be incredibly productive. I under stood why I heard collage kids liked to take it before finals to study.

I like having it except for some excessive competitions.
Caffeine is my main drug for treatment.
A tablet is your friend.
Learn to put stuff away even if you are not finished. You might not come back to it for a while.
I genuinely have several projects going at the same time and always thinking about ways to make more money.

I spent the last 7 months cleaning up the farm.
The amount of good and extra/ doubles I found was insane.

I just need to clarify that,In no way was my post targeting anyone who absolutely had it,,, my point was that it’s too easy to put a kid on stuff when it might not actually be a pharmaceutical solution.

This is how my ADHD was treated.

It was a non-medical method of treatment.

It's an excuse the parents use because they won't bust the kids tail. Don't get me wrong some kids are reflections of their raising. Not learning to mind and sit still at an early age manifest into an alphabet illness. Never heard of it when a mom or dad would back hand you for not minding. We had too much to do around the house to sit around and pray we got a pass for acting up...

OR sit down or I'll bust your _____ !!!

… oh goodnight foxxkidd nobody thinks you’re targeting them and wouldn’t care if you were

… you crack me up sometimes lol

Lots of folks make their own ADHD medicine in these parts. Seems to be bad on teeth....
There's real cases that require medicine but often times the sound a belt makes as it's pulled from it's loops is the only cure needed....

I could have been outside other than sleeping in bad storms and my ADHD wouldn't have been an issue at all , I am basically genetically pre disposed to outdoor life , it is when you make me do a repetitive task I am about to lose my mind. School was a repetitive task.
I proved a few times I could learn and had learned what was being taught, I just was done with it on the first go round not the 4th time it was being repeated , which meant I checked out in class a lot in grade and middle school.
my 8th grade English teacher once told me , you have a C- going if you get an 100 on this final I will give you an A for the class. so I gave that test 100% attention the stakes were high.
she had to study and look very hard to find the one error so it was like a 95 she gave me a B for the class and I think probably never offered that deal again to anyone she was about dumbfounded.

when I worked drill press in college I took every little job 3 of these , 5 of those almost always sub 20 of anything , I could do layout on 5 different jobs , spraying them all down with layout die at once and get it all right and drill all the holes that shared drill bits I made time on my job tickets this way.
but make 400 of the exact same part and it was the longest week of my time there. 5 processes 400 times.

I was so glad we had a couple guys that seemed to enjoy mindless , they would tap the same 2 holes in 2000 of the same part , they lived in mind numbing territory. I sort of think that math and measurement was just way to much for them so they just chose mind numb , I also have no idea what drugs they were on.

If I had it I only had it for a very short time. After my Daddy got done with me.

BS.
Don't work like that Boys.
Ain't from sitting on a couch
It’s not about discipline. I was raised Old School German…
Outdoors and work help a lot.
I could tell you about it..... but it would take a couple of weeks for your brains to catch up to mine, to be able to compute.
Use guys need ,,,, and .... and correct spelling for comprehend,,,,, HOW SLooooow.
Heaven forbid see what's there all ways possible. Then conclude based on the sitting

Maybe you confusing autism with ADD.
Sorry got to go, Squirrel......

Lots of good points there BigDawg! And the healthcare point might be the most disappointing, hopefully we can get things headed in the right direction soon. Happy trapping! ScottW

Vinke and I agree on , if your not wired this way , you're not going to fully understand


it is very hereditary and there are very different types of it.

when in hyper focus , it would nearly take a bomb going off next to you to snap out of it
and also on the flip side.
you are in a restaurant and you can't not hear every conversation 5 tables away and be answering the questions being asked at 3 of them at the same time.
but also
the news is on the radio and your wife is trying to talk to you in the car and you didn't hear what she said because she didn't remember if she needs to be heard she needs to turn off the radio.

Just a new fancy name for what we used to call nuts.

That must be Quebec Hutterite lingo or something...we always called it ADD/ADHD in this part of Ontario 😁

Was no such label when I grew up in Bracebridge in the 60s,we just called kids that acted nuts nuts.
Now you cant call a nut nuts anymore its not politically correct,now they got a hundred different versions of nuts and probably govt funded programs for each one.

In our firearms training classes, we had a girl who suffers from this disorder apparently.

We use laser guns the kind that put a red dot on a target on the wall. This is to help them with sight alignment for live fire on range day. This girl's aim was well off the bullseye. She was right handed. I noticed she kept both eyes open every time she pulled the trigger on the laser gun. I told her she needed to close one eye. She said she couldn't do that. She handed me the gun and said it was scary.

Last night on the written test she had 17 wrong answers out of 50 multiple choice questions which is a failing grade. They must pass the written test to qualify for range day with live ammo. She failed the entire class which was unfortunate, but a good thing.

I can't close my lright eye. Shoot pistol left. Rifle right.
Left handed

Just full blow special I guess

in the 60s it was just the kids that weren't good at "school" my grandpa and 5 uncles would have all been diagnosed if anyone was paying attention. my youngest aunt has been diagnosed as an adult.
5 of 6 high school drop outs , none of them dumb , just no patients for school stuff until they hit auto shop
is grandpa a high school drop out if he never started , he started farming full time after graduating 8th grade.

or we could say a significant portion of the kids who were barley passing all their other classes and had an A going in every shop class.

chances are a lot of the guys who opened little independed small engine shops are.

in most cases you can just find a job that you excel at and do it.

it is when they want you to fit into desk jobs or school or telling people they need to go to college that there is an issue.

in girls it often looks like different. they may take to school subjects very well.
I would venture my mother probably is , my youngest aunt is diagnosed.
my aunt was an Army Nurse and is now a nurse anesthetist. in girls it often looks more like anxiety to not perform so they try to the point of burn out. they do school fine so then they do more and often end up in professional careers.

that doesn't sound like ADHD at all that sounds like that is more of a cross dominance in the eyes or weak dominance in the eye , possibly some other thing like dyslexia on the reading portion or she just didn't want to be there.

a true ADHD person or ADD if we use the older term is very likely to take to a training they want to be at so well they are your best student. they naturally excel at nearly anything they are putting their mind to specifically hands on. they will typically put in twice the effort of the as they call them neurotypical.

I will have to disagree with you and believe its a hindrance to close an eye to shoot. It limits what I can see and I have no problem seeing open sights or optics with both eyes open. I guess maybe in some cases people's dominant eye may not be as dominant and need to close an eye to focus but since I never have and typically always was in the top if not the top of friendly shooting competitions it absolutely never made since to me whan I see people shoot closing an eye. Unless it was trying to correct a cross dominant shooter.

Sounds more like to me no one checked to see what eye was hee dominant eye and if they did they got.it wrong. The coach on my sons old archer team convinced my wife my son needed to shoot left handed he got it wrong. But I was always at work and didnt hear about it tell after left handed bow was ordered. Then he had been shooting a bow left handed a while and it was a challenge to correct.

Its pretty clear who has no clue but thinks they do vs those that have experienced adhd.

Greene County is knocking it out of the park.

definitely both eyes open shoot to the eye not the hand

it might take a brick of 22lr to train your other hand well but shoot to the eye.

especially if you haven't shot before , 100% shoot to the eye , why learn it wrong and handicap yourself for life.

my dad is left eye dominant , right handed , been a squinter since he was 14 and started hunting
much harder to hit running targets and you give up clarity at distance with one eye shut , and it is less safe because you have no peripheral to see someone or thing walking into your field of fire.


the human eyes are built to be stereo

I probably have it. Lord knows it got me into trouble in school, but I was an A student.

Always worked at least until you tried to press your luck again for round 2 of the same results lol

As with many mental diseases ( bi-polar) or issues ADHD probably has a very long continum from very slight to extreme and may well impact millions if not 100s of millions of people in the world today. The vast majority that may show very limited signs and also at different stages in their lives. That can also be couple with medical practitioners that may have very differing ways to treat the issues, from minimal drug usage to considerable.
I don't think we look at the reality of thise whole issue. There are twice as many adults ( over 18) that have been diagnosed with ADHD then there are children and nearlly 60% of those adults were diagnosed after they were 18 years old. Behavior issues probably show up more when we are trying to put our youth in more controlled environments. As adults people can operate more in their own space if they choose to.

Bryce

Would you please stop ruining threads by making sense.

Maybe I had , and to some degree still do, ADD??
I never thought about ADD until it was mentioned.
As I previously mentioned,,,, I simply couldn’t pay attention in school unless it was something that interested me.
Is that a normal thing though??
I know I’m not dumb, lol because I was reading college level books in 8th grade..
Shoot maybe I have a form of autism??
Or maybe I’m just eccentric.

Foxkidd44, ADHD /ADD is not curable, only treatable or manageable. You're born with it, you die with it. Lots of people manage just fine thanks to parenting and social structure so they're never diagnosed.
I did fine until I didn't LOL. When I worked in a factory and only had to manage my own bills and could do what I wanted when I wanted...I was great. After getting a high stress management job, 2 kids, college, missing hunting trips for other people's events it all kind of unwound.
Whether you have it or not, I hope only the best for you.

anyone considered the number of vaccines kids get today? from 4 in the 60's to over 60 today. I'd bet money thats the cause of autism and type 1 diabetes rates today.

Truth

I was like a lot of folks and thought it was all bull…then I started researching and listening to a lot of podcast of ADULTS that finally got on meds and their lives changed. We held off for about 10 years with CJ and finally went and talked to professionals.
We started CJ on meds last Fall and within 3 weeks we were getting notes and calls from teachers about what’s changed in his life? We didn’t know how to take that or respond until we learned he had went from not paying attention or participating to being the first to raise his hand and knowing most of the answers. His average in Language Arts went from a 69-70 to an 85!!!
Now it did take months to get his meds right and he calls them his “smart” pills. So yeah, meds work and behavioral issues improve along with their attention. Our biggest “fear” was turning him into a zombie and losing the CJ we know and love. That’s where interacting with the professional is key. It doesn’t make a kid lethargic or quiet, it brings out their true potential.

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I have two sisters, not mine, living on both sides of me. they have 2 kids each and are all affected by ADHD, Autism, or both.
The boys on the north of me were screamers and couldn't be calmed down, the father would be outside in winter to 10-11 every night trying to get him to get calm enough to go to sleep...the girls south of me would hit, kick, and bite anyone that they didn't want to listen to, the older one would run around the road with no clothes on., both were feral.

the boys were put on meds when they started school, and they became calm, and pleasant humans, lol
The girls?, no meds, still fighting, screeching, and just miserable little $%!#^

So meds do work,

"So meds do work"

I live on Coccain and Alcohol for a good many years.

I think your first sentence is correct in that she just didn't want to be there.

On range day another girl shot with a decent group, but they were all to the right and high. She was shooting right handed. At first I thought maybe it was the rifle. In class we always do the test to see which is their dominant eye. She said she was left eye dominant. I gave her a left handed 22 to try shooting left handed. She had a nice group with 4 bullseyes out of 10 shots from the sitting and prone positions.

We always check which is their dominant eye in class before they ever get to the range. She was right eye dominant. Since they all wear shooting glasses, we thought about taping a piece of paper in the left lens so she would be shooting only with her right eye. As I said, she failed the class getting 17 wrong out of 50 multiple questions. One some of the questions, instead of marking one of the answers as a guess, she wrote, "I don't know".

if you want to do taping of the safety glasses stand with your back down range , have her lay the gun on your shoulder and look at the target , then you move a peice of clear scotch tape so that she can no longer see anything but a blur from that eye when she looks down the sights , it forces the eye behind the sight to take over without effecting peripheral vision. a little square of tape is all that is needed.