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Re: Oregon ballot initiative! [Re: martentrapper] #8617921
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Is Oregon all paper mail in ballots? Is every ballot signature checked? Is every person who receives a ballot truly legal to vote?

Re: Oregon ballot initiative! [Re: martentrapper] #8617936
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Personally, I hate mail in voting. Always liked to go down to the fire station, see the little old ladies running things, sign in and then go vote with the punch-out cards.

But Oregon has had mail in voting longer than any other state, and over the last 19 years the amount of fraud detected has been microscopic. Never would have changed any result.

Every voter signature is checked. There are many other safeguards in place as well. If you want to know more about it look it up on-line. League of Women Voters are always invited to oversee the whole process.


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Re: Oregon ballot initiative! [Re: martentrapper] #8617938
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What I see here is this constant conspiracy theory stuff that oozes out on these pages. Crapola say I.


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Re: Oregon ballot initiative! [Re: martentrapper] #8617952
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In WA everybody gets a paper ballot via mail, probably the same as in OR. The way the system is gamed is first you reduce the points of authentication on signature checks. In some cases they just don't check. There are always a lot of ballots that people never use. You flood the system with ballots and then all you need to do is figure where to go to pick up ballots they are not voted, nursing homes, homeless centers, apartment complexes. Pick up the ballots, fill them in and mail them off. It is probably easier to drop a batch off at a ballot drop off in the middle of the night when nobody is watching.
There was a case here where a person registered a lot of homeless people in Olympia. They had no mailing address so all their ballots went to a church that catered to the homeless. A few of the homeless complained they never received their ballots but they all were voted. Nothing ever came of it because the people investigating were the beneficiaries of the fraud.

Re: Oregon ballot initiative! [Re: martentrapper] #8618013
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Originally Posted by martentrapper
Is Oregon all paper mail in ballots? Is every ballot signature checked? Is every person who receives a ballot truly legal to vote?

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/10659129261417974


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Re: Oregon ballot initiative! [Re: beaverpeeler] #8618165
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I don't buy the voter fraud crap. Never been any proof of anything that made one iota of difference in any election. Period. If you wanna believe different go ahead. You're wrong!!!!!!

Never thought much of it 30 years ago when I turned 18. I lived in Washington at the time and while it wasn't a mail in voting state yet, I signed up for absentee voting (because I worked out of town all the time) and had my ballot mailed to me. When I moved to Idaho, they sent my ballot to my Idaho address the next THREE elections! This despite my calling them the first two times they sent me one and informing them that I was now an Idaho resident and registered to vote in Idaho. Now I will say that one thing that told me was, the Democrat run government of Washington, despite lots of blatant election fraud at that time, was not looking at my voting record before sending me that ballot, because I certainly hadn't voted for any of those people in office.

Now I confess to never looking into voter fraud in Oregon. But I do know that it is much easier to fraud mail in ballots than it is if you have to show up at a polling place and show picture id. Does it happen enough to make a difference in Oregon? I don't know. But I will give you an example, I remember when I was young, my parents would get absentee ballots in the mail, and my mom would always fill out both ballots. Now at the time I never thought much of it, because it didn't really make a difference, if dad would have filled it out he would have voted exactly the same way, but it was still fraud. How many people fill out their parents or other elderly relatives ballots? How many fill them out differently than those relatives would have? Or, how many coach relatives, friends, etc. (like waggler's example) on how to vote as they fill out their ballots? Something that is illegal to do at a polling place?

Re: Oregon ballot initiative! [Re: martentrapper] #8618186
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There are way too many opportunities for voter fraud in Oregon -- I cant "prove" any of it. Good examples of it have hit close to home. My son and daughter have both moved out of state in the last few year - daughter to indiana about 2 years ago and my son to washington about 5 years ago. My son moved back to oregon about 3 months ago -- their ballots have come to our house without interruption. They have not voted in the oregon elections since they left-- but look at all the games played in the portland vancouver area -- different states different rules - income tax vs none. car registrations worse in one state than the other. sales tax in one state. the cities are separated by a bridge- that is all -- cant imagine some citiots keeping a po box in one state and a residence in the other for some purposes. Which state do you suppose they vote in? both maybe?

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15-17% of signatures won’t be valid for things like not being a registered voter, address on voter registration and petition don’t match etc. I foresee the invalidated signatures being much higher since the paid signature gatherers are probably paying the Portland homeless to sign it. Hard to register to vote when you live in a tent under a 205 overpass. They’ll need 20-25k more than the minimum or they’ll be cooked by washed out signatures.

Re: Oregon ballot initiative! [Re: martentrapper] #8618345
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Signature gatherers typically don’t get paid for bad signatures so they try hard to vet the people signing.
15% is the number usually bantered about.


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These problems will work themselves out as the generations growing up on a cell phone won't know how to sign with an actual signature.

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In Oregon, all you need to register online to vote is a printer and something to sign with.

"If you don’t have an Oregon driver license, permit, ID card, or the last four digits of your social security number, you can still use the online system, but you will need access to a printer. After entering your information, a PDF of your voter registration card will appear. Print it, sign it, and mail or deliver it to your county elections office."

No documentation is required at all!!! Oregon tells you what you "need", but then below it says it's unnecessary.

https://sos.oregon.gov/voting/Pages/registration.aspx?lang=en

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It appears you can find people's signatures through the website, after proving you're human, with just their name and birth date too, if you wanted to copy their signature.

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Re: Oregon ballot initiative! [Re: martentrapper] #8618479
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Nobody would lie about any of that! Common MAN! Wasn't that Joe Bidens line.

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Re: Oregon ballot initiative! [Re: martentrapper] #8618502
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You have to remember that the Oregon voter registration system was implemented by the same type of people, liberal Democrats, that wanted to and in some cases did require vaccine passports for people to eat in restaurants or access any public space, travel, or even go to work.

But these same people scoff at the idea of a requiring voter ID cards and label it as racist and an infringement on the right to vote.


Eh...wot?

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