WI Gun Deer Thread
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11/17/19 06:04 PM
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Next Saturday Guys! Can't wait. Heading out to the deer shack Friday after work.
Good Luck to Everyone!
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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11/17/19 07:00 PM
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Skipping opening weekend but will hunt later and muzzleloader if necessary.
Last edited by corky; 11/17/19 07:35 PM. Reason: Feeling sorry for myself. This should be a happy thread.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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11/17/19 07:53 PM
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I got 3 days work this week , might be the longest 3 days of the year , although if like last week I was so busy , I have Thursday off to get packed and headed up first thing Friday Morning.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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11/18/19 06:43 AM
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Going up again for the whole season but have not got a deer the past 7 years. We hardly ever see deer. The wolves have taken over our territory in the National Forest. Years ago it use to be awesome trophy hunting.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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11/18/19 07:16 AM
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Will walk out my back door as usual opener. After that I will carry the rifle with beaver trapping. I enjoy the muzzle loader season alot more after the army of orange has went home.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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11/18/19 08:24 AM
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Will walk out my back door as usual opener. After that I will carry the rifle with beaver trapping. I enjoy the muzzle loader season alot more after the army of orange has went home. Nice thing that the orange army usually retreats by Sunday afternoon.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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11/18/19 08:41 AM
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Nice thing that the orange army usually retreats by Sunday afternoon.
They might stay out all day Sunday. Packers don't play 'til after seven.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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11/18/19 09:01 AM
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My son and I heading out Friday to my sister cottage. We have hunted from there for many years now with my brother and couple others. Back in September the piece of county woods we hunt was marked for clear cutting. The tree I actually lock my seat on has been marked as has the whole area our group hunts. I've shot 5 deer from that spot and before that it was my older brother stand..My brother checked with the county and someone did place a bid to cut that woods.. So having not been there for couple weeks we aren't sure our woods won't be buzzing with skidders and cutters, We are all hopping they don't get started working until after deer season. Then for next year for sure we will have to scout new place to be. Just one of them things have to deal with on public land. My original stand in that area was cut over after tornado went threw, That was 11 years ago and they salvaged cut all that. It's now young pines so thick can hardly walk in there..
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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11/18/19 09:24 AM
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My son and I heading out Friday to my sister cottage. We have hunted from there for many years now with my brother and couple others. Back in September the piece of county woods we hunt was marked for clear cutting. The tree I actually lock my seat on has been marked as has the whole area our group hunts. I've shot 5 deer from that spot and before that it was my older brother stand..My brother checked with the county and someone did place a bid to cut that woods.. So having not been there for couple weeks we aren't sure our woods won't be buzzing with skidders and cutters, We are all hopping they don't get started working until after deer season. Then for next year for sure we will have to scout new place to be. Just one of them things have to deal with on public land. My original stand in that area was cut over after tornado went threw, That was 11 years ago and they salvaged cut all that. It's now young pines so thick can hardly walk in there..
Mac We had more deer movement at our gun club after it was logged then before. The deer will love the new growth. Sure, the patterns will change, but don't count that property out at all.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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11/18/19 09:37 AM
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Yahoo can’t wait for all city folk to come up, drink and drive like. There is no repercussions and shoot Bambi hung over the next day and Be bragging about it by noon Saturday. This coming week is one of the most Annoying weeks of the year. Lots of small bucks will get shot and does will Get wiped out on the public land bc there handing out doe tags like they do Welfare. Yuck. Sorry to sound pessimistic but wi rifle season is a joke. Hopefully the rut will be wound down and Some of the young deer will make it.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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11/18/19 09:50 AM
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Yahoo can’t wait for all city folk to come up, drink and drive like. There is no repercussions and shoot Bambi hung over the next day and Be bragging about it by noon Saturday. This coming week is one of the most Annoying weeks of the year. Lots of small bucks will get shot and does will Get wiped out on the public land bc there handing out doe tags like they do Welfare. Yuck. Sorry to sound pessimistic but wi rifle season is a joke. Hopefully the rut will be wound down and Some of the young deer will make it. Forgot about Friday night "sighting in" Ill be hunting but not till Wednesday 27th. Still hunting along the Pike or one of its creeks.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
[Re: k snow]
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11/18/19 10:13 AM
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My son and I heading out Friday to my sister cottage. We have hunted from there for many years now with my brother and couple others. Back in September the piece of county woods we hunt was marked for clear cutting. The tree I actually lock my seat on has been marked as has the whole area our group hunts. I've shot 5 deer from that spot and before that it was my older brother stand..My brother checked with the county and someone did place a bid to cut that woods.. So having not been there for couple weeks we aren't sure our woods won't be buzzing with skidders and cutters, We are all hopping they don't get started working until after deer season. Then for next year for sure we will have to scout new place to be. Just one of them things have to deal with on public land. My original stand in that area was cut over after tornado went threw, That was 11 years ago and they salvaged cut all that. It's now young pines so thick can hardly walk in there..
Mac We had more deer movement at our gun club after it was logged then before. The deer will love the new growth. Sure, the patterns will change, but don't count that property out at all. k snow Yep I know we will all survive the cutting have for years now. The piece we hunt is 2X3 mile square and we have hunted that same piece since the mid 1970s..Back then I moved 3 times due to the way they cut it in different patterns. In fact where we are now is because the place we started in 70s was clear cut so we moved to east side. That piece is actually grown up now and maybe where we move back to once this piece we are on is cut? I may just have to move across the big marsh I sit along now. Other side of marsh was cut several years ago..There is another group of guys though that are on other side of the marsh.. We'll figure it out all ways do. May just have to sit closer to the edge of the pines they planted on the storm cut. That is kind of what we doing now. They just decided it was time to cut all older growth all the way around the 10 year old storm cut. Mac
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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11/18/19 11:31 AM
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I forgot about Friday night sight in. Truck loads of corn when there is no baiting in the surrounding 3 counties lol my parents have a supper club/ small bar up here so I got the full effect of the shackers Growing up. Can still go there on the Friday night of opener and see the same people from 20 years ago Telling the same Stories at the bar. I don’t mind people coming up north. Deer season just hosts a lot of rude Folks from southern wi and Illinois that are on a care free bing when there up here. Good luck to all the hunters this coming week, be safe and Respect the north woods.
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11/18/19 02:13 PM
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I forgot about Friday night sight in. Truck loads of corn when there is no baiting in the surrounding 3 counties lol my parents have a supper club/ small bar up here so I got the full effect of the shackers Growing up. Can still go there on the Friday night of opener and see the same people from 20 years ago Telling the same Stories at the bar. I don’t mind people coming up north. Deer season just hosts a lot of rude Folks from southern wi and Illinois that are on a care free bing when there up here. Good luck to all the hunters this coming week, be safe and Respect the north woods. Understand your disgust and frustration. We all see this around the state. Probably has been this way for many years.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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11/18/19 07:19 PM
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Last year I went to a local church on Friday night before the opener for a hunters stew supper. I got the squirts so bad I missed opening morning.
I don't think I will have any stew this year
WS I had to LOL when I read this. Sorry my friend!
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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11/19/19 06:00 PM
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Forecast here for Thursday is 1" of rain so looks like a soggy start on Saturday.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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11/19/19 08:06 PM
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The deer kill Is going to way down In Rock Dane and Iowa counties this year. Thousands of acres of standing corn and It's not going to be harvested till late Dec. First few shots and all the deer will be In the corn.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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11/19/19 09:01 PM
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I think you are right Beav. There is standing corn almost everywhere.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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11/20/19 09:15 AM
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You guys got to drive them corn fields with mass of guys, get them big bucks moving.. No chance for any accidental shootings doing that. Right? Have seen some nice bow shot deer shot doing STALK and sneak in corn field..Much safer..
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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11/20/19 10:08 AM
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Probably wouldn't get shot In corn field but you might get lost LOL The corn rows In our fields around here are pretty tight and you would have a tough time just walking through them. And how do you drive a 200 acre corn field?
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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11/21/19 09:20 AM
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Will be checking wind direction opening morning and then deciding which stand to hunt behind the house. Was fortunate to harvest a nice 10pt during archery season and have a few bucks on camera that might be worth taking, need to see in person. Have a few anterless tags to fill too. Weather looks nice for opener! Good Luck and be safe! Dave
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11/21/19 12:27 PM
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Nice one Alex congratulations! Lot of hot dogs there.. Mac Thanks Mac! Got into the stand late with hopes of filling an anterless tag, did not see a deer until 30 minutes from closure when he came thru feeding. Wind was in my face and he never knew I was there. I guess you spend enough time in the woods and get lucky once in a while! Dave
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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11/21/19 07:41 PM
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Nice looking buck Dave!
Safe travels to all who are leaving tonight or heading out tomorrow.
Good luck Saturday.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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11/22/19 12:34 AM
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Headed out tomorrow afternoon to set up blinds. Lots of corn still standing all around the farm. Aunt and Uncle haven't seen many deer outside the corn. Might be a slow year. voice drive time , to get them moving. good luck a safe hunt to all
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11/22/19 12:52 AM
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I was out scouting some today , hip boots are going to be necessary to reach many places , scouting higher ground tomorrow.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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11/22/19 07:50 AM
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Good luck everyone and be safe. Just got back from CO with a nice 6x6. I'm going to take my father out in the glorified tower that everyone makes fun of. Not really interested in shooting whitetail, but will enjoy the time I have left with Dad. He enjoys just shooting pictures anymore and thats fine by me.
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11/24/19 12:29 AM
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Not enough signal to post pics but The Boy was in the stand with me again this year and picked out a doe this afternoon that came into the stand and I shot it at 17 paces from the stand he pulled it out of the woods for us (about 150 yards) and we gutted it in the field then he drug it to the cabin. Mostly down hill but I was impressed with his enthusiasm for the job as the deer weighed 120lbs and he goes 65 with a full stomach. He didnt want me to help but I insisted as the pull about stopped on any rise in terrain but he did it for the most part by himself and I for one am proud of his effort. Tomorrow he says we will get our buck, lol. Good luck and stay safe out there everyone!!!
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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11/24/19 05:04 AM
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Congratulations deerfly that is a nice looking buck! Was a decent day for me with seeing three doe opening morning and no clear shot. Then in the evening an adult doe with two buck fawns I elected to pass with hopes a buck would be following. 20 minutes later I think the neighbor shot her. Oh well back in the stand in a few hours. Dave
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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11/24/19 09:26 PM
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We are seeing way more grey squirrels where I used to see red squirrels.
Home safe and that is a good thing. Time to turn on the football game.
Bryce Thats interesting. How has the habitat and environment change? Go Pack Go
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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11/25/19 05:02 PM
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More acres of standing corn around here than woods. Been a very difficult hunt so far and doesn't look like much hope for the corn harvest before the season ends. Should be more deer next year if there's a bright side to this. Good luck to you all.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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11/25/19 05:17 PM
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Saw 20 deer all does. Killed one and know I'm done .
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Saw 20 deer all does. Killed one and know I'm done . Sounds like an exciting hunt. That story kept me on the edge of my seat the whole time.
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11/25/19 05:45 PM
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I'm glad you enjoyed It. LOL
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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11/25/19 06:34 PM
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Set camp in the river bottoms Thursday. Took care of getting stands ready Friday. Noted the area had been under water most of the summer. Sat in the tree stand 'til 10:30 Saturday morning, saw no deer. Mini drive to a buddy down a finger in the swamp, pushed no deer. Lunch at camp, noted the river was coming up fast, real fast. Got a hold of Susan, asked how the hydrograph at Muscoda looked. She said it's going up. We had water within a vertical foot of the tent. Thursday when we set camp it was within 3 feet vertically. Stuck a stick at the water's edge and we broke camp Saturday afternoon. By 3:00 the water had gained 2" vertically. Back to the landing by 4:00. Fella from Iowa was there, said he paid $80 for an out of state license which also gave him 3 doe tags. Said blue tongue had ravaged the deer herd near where he normally hunted. Said more than likely it's hit here too as evidenced by little sign. I'd have to agree. Kickapoo River Valley was the scene of 100+ dead deer found awhile back. Who knows how many in the weeds. Very few shots heard Saturday. Dunno. Might be time to relocate deer camp for 2020. Have hunted this same area since '86. High water the last two years. Seems to be the new norm. View from my stand Saturday morning. Sure was nice out there.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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Set camp in the river bottoms Thursday. Took care of getting stands ready Friday. Noted the area had been under water most of the summer. Sat in the tree stand 'til 10:30 Saturday morning, saw no deer. Mini drive to a buddy down a finger in the swamp, pushed no deer. Lunch at camp, noted the river was coming up fast, real fast. Got a hold of Susan, asked how the hydrograph at Muscoda looked. She said it's going up. We had water within a vertical foot of the tent. Thursday when we set camp it was within 3 feet vertically. Stuck a stick at the water's edge and we broke camp Saturday afternoon. By 3:00 the water had gained 2" vertically. Back to the landing by 4:00. Fella from Iowa was there, said he paid $80 for an out of state license which also gave him 3 doe tags. Said blue tongue had ravaged the deer herd near where he normally hunted. Said more than likely it's hit here too as evidenced by little sign. I'd have to agree. Kickapoo River Valley was the scene of 100+ dead deer found awhile back. Who knows how many in the weeds. Very few shots heard Saturday. Dunno. Might be time to relocate deer camp for 2020. Have hunted this same area since '86. High water the last two years. Seems to be the new norm. View from my stand Saturday morning. Sure was nice out there. What is the nest ?
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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11/26/19 06:46 AM
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Muskrat that stinks about the high water. Do you really think its blue tongue or just the water being up and not enough food that's pushed them out?
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Muskrat that stinks about the high water. Do you really think its blue tongue or just the water being up and not enough food that's pushed them out? 100+ dead deer confirmed blue tongue found nearby in Kickapoo River Valley. Nobody really knows the numbers. We've hunted this area in high water before and taken deer. Just not this high this quick. The bean counters should have a handle on numbers in Madison soon. That should give us some idea of the relative numbers per county. Nice pics by the way. I remember dozing while Dad was hunting back when. Precious pictures.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
[Re: Green Bay]
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11/26/19 10:12 AM
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Muskrat When I see the pic with the tree up turned by the root ball. It looks like lots of places here along the river. Constant high water this summer when the storms came threw. Made it easy for the wind to push over lot of trees on the islands, their roots now sticking up.. Summer long high water has really took a tole on some of the islands. River here was on it's way down, but is once again headed back up. Can't seem to catch a break and get back to normal..
Mac
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
[Re: Green Bay]
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11/26/19 12:32 PM
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Here is my opening weekend report for our parcel in SW Manitowoc County. Saturday morning 3 doe around 7:30am, no activity and left stand at 9AM to tend to some plumbing issues by my parents. Back in stand Saturday evening at 2:30pm. 3:30pm had a doe with twin buck fawns come in from down-wind and elected to pass hoping for a buck to follow. 20 minutes later heard neighbor to the West shoot once, this is where the deer were heading when last seen. No activity after that. Here is a video of the three: https://youtu.be/zpkNeXfsp0USunday morning nothing by me, two shots from neighbor to the immediate South. Left stand at 9:45am. Set out two dozen coon traps and two otter sets. Back in stand at 3pm. 3:30pm had medium doe trot thru with a small buck harassing her. 4:25pm had a doe and single fawn come in and harvested her at 15yds. Video of the little buck after the doe went thru: https://youtu.be/bOst_ZEtnS4Don't plan to get back out until Wednesday afternoon. Have a buddy coming out tonight for rest of the season and having a niece's husband come hunt Wednesday night / Thursday morning. See how things go. Dave
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
[Re: Green Bay]
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11/26/19 09:08 PM
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Badger23, have you had any trail cameras out? How was the activity on them?
I hunt northern Langlade county, no farmland within 15 miles, mostly hardwoods and hemlock swamps. So not exactly what I would call a habitat with a high carrying capacity for deer. This year we have had around 10 different bucks on camera, as well as a few different dow groups totalling around 8 or 9 antlerless deer. This all over an area around 160 acres at most.
We had 8 guys hunting most or all of the day Saturday and Sunday and I was the only one who saw any deer during legal shooting hours, one of the doe groups with 4 deer. If we didnt have trail cameras out, we would be thinking there are few if any deer around. Fact is it's a late season this year and lots of deer are hunkered down.
I don't get all the DNR bashing that goes on in Wisconsin. I've heard some griping from others about their state's equivalent of the DNR, but the vocal majority of Wisconsinites seem to have a hatred for the DNR and would never admit they ever did anything right. There was a whole thread on here not too long ago that went on for 3 or 4 pages of folks talking about all the regulation changes they would make in Wisconsin, and that's just trapping.
Every time the DNR makes a facebook post, no matter what it's about, there are always people commenting and complaining about one thing or another, whether it's related to the post or not. Almost every one of them is nothing more than an armchair biologist, with nothing more to back up their opinion than anecdotal evidence. "I hunted today and didn't see any deer. There must not be 2 million deer in the state."
I just don't get it. Rant over.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
[Re: Green Bay]
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11/26/19 09:39 PM
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my great aunt hosts deer camp most years , she was having heart issues , but is like a new woman now with her pace maker and new valve.
my great uncle her little brother had to be moved to hospice care about 6 weeks ago. he died last Tuesday.
my son and I had made plans to go with my sons friend's family and some of the other boys from school. untill the young man broke his arm Wednesday before opener so then none of the boys were going.
I haven't not headed up hunting on Friday in 18 years and that was for the anticipated birth of my oldest daughter who was born weeks later , man was Friday hard funnerl a ferw days away and everything I did made me think about my uncle who I have hunted 26 of the last 28 years with.
we made the best of it and went out locally Saturday , it was ok. we saw 2 deer my son had a shot but only through some very thick brush so he passed.
My great uncle's funeral was Monday and after the funeral at the dinner I was talking with some cousins , and my son and I were invited out with a cousin this morning.
well I was ecstatic my son was able to bag a buck at around 7:30 this morning. but my cousin said we should do a little drive he had a 20 acre woods that hadn't been driven this year so he drove it to the little hay field and I picked up a nice buck.
then we loaded the 2 bucks on the mini van for the drive home.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
[Re: Muskrat]
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11/27/19 12:53 AM
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Nothing about blue tongue, eh? How many counties do you think were really impacted by it? Surely it is devastating in small pockets, but guessing not that many in the big picture? I can see those other items having a bigger impact. We have lots of crops up here, but I was lucky enough to benefit from some standing beans that the farmer couldn't get to. Deer been pouring into them and the cut corn field, but the bucks have been white. Decided to shoot a doe this afternoon and there was still 8 in the field when I took the ranger out to pick it up.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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11/27/19 08:06 AM
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New this morning reporting that DNR said deer kill was probably down due to. Weather, standing corn crops, and how the Thanksgiving Holiday fell? Not sure about how that last one factors in. They said nothing about lower herd numbers anywhere in state. Only told which county had highest kill.
Mac
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
[Re: Macthediver]
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11/27/19 08:10 AM
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New this morning reporting that DNR said deer kill was probably down due to. Weather, standing corn crops, and how the Thanksgiving Holiday fell? Not sure about how that last one factors in. They said nothing about lower herd numbers anywhere in state. Only told which county had highest kill.
Mac Thanksgiving was very late this year, which means that most, if not all, rut activity was over by the time gun season got here.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
[Re: Muskrat]
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11/27/19 08:32 AM
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How many freezers have unreported deer in them? More than a few I'd wager. Not enough to account for a double digit drop in reported numbers, but does make one wonder how that honesty factor is working. I'm sure that plays in a bit, but 25 to 30 percent pretty much statewide? I think there is something else going on, most likely a number of factors.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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11/27/19 09:11 AM
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Don't you have 5 days to register your deer? How can they come up with those figures from opening week end.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
[Re: Muskrat]
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11/27/19 09:13 AM
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Those of us who hunt public lands have a whole different hunting experience than those who own/access private property. A significant drop in deer numbers county wide does not translate into equal numbers on private vs public lands. No solution in sight. It is what it is. I'm one them like you hunts public land..Total deer seen for 3 days in woods including the buck I shot Saturday morning was 3.. Saturday I saw and shot the buck no other deer seen rest of the day. Sunday two deer and Monday none. There are 5 of us in the group and it was pretty much the same for all of us..Two guys seen none on Saturday my son who was couple hundred yards to north of me saw just a glimpse of the deer I shot.. Pretty sad in our woods and also very quiet. Even though there were two or 3 other small groups in same piece woods.. Anyone who has never hunted what they now call Central Forest land wouldn't understand it.. Even though I live in what is now the big buck farm land area. I've hunted my whole life in that Jackson, Clark County forest land.. Trust me it has changed a great deal in my 60 some years playing and hunting there. Mac
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
[Re: k snow]
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11/27/19 09:13 AM
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I hunt private land, and saw 0 deer during daylight. The land I hunt is near Mad city, so there a lot of non-huntable acres that the deer can occupy.
Not all private land is loaded with deer. Not all public land is void of deer. Very true. I saw 20 some deer on opening morning I filled my tag but only 2 of those deer were shootabale. Private land.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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11/27/19 09:14 AM
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Don't you have 5 days to register your deer? How can they come up with those figures from opening week end.
Not 5 days. Must be registered by 5pm the day after the harvest.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
[Re: k snow]
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11/27/19 09:26 AM
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Not 5 days. Must be registered by 5pm the day after the harvest. Stupid rule. Only for the bean counters. If you're in the "way backs" camped or in a cabin and out of cell phone range you just became a violater. Or you waste hunting time Sunday trying to find cell phone reception if you get a deer Saturday.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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11/27/19 09:29 AM
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Well I tried every thing possible but I couldn't get It registered. Until Mon when I had to actually call the DNR and go through the process.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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11/27/19 09:31 AM
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Not 5 days. Must be registered by 5pm the day after the harvest. Stupid rule. Only for the bean counters. If you're in the "way backs" camped or in a cabin and out of cell phone range you just became a violater. Or you waste hunting time Sunday trying to find cell phone reception if you get a deer Saturday. If you like me I just dang near plain forgot, did it early Sunday morning before going in back in woods.. Would have been easy to just say well deer is home why even bother..I've would never do that but I'm sure some do. Mac
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
[Re: Muskrat]
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11/27/19 09:32 AM
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Not 5 days. Must be registered by 5pm the day after the harvest. Stupid rule. Only for the bean counters. If you're in the "way backs" camped or in a cabin and out of cell phone range you just became a violater. Or you waste hunting time Sunday trying to find cell phone reception if you get a deer Saturday. No argument here about that. Just add that to the long list of rules that make little or no sense.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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11/27/19 09:45 AM
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Setting up deer camp Thursday. Should have the woodstove purring, the Coleman lanterns humming and the cribbage board pegging by sundown. Put in a few mink sets for fun Friday morning and get stands ready in the afternoon. Good luck and be safe out there. I saw ya down at millville landing, guessing thats the area your camping! old fella i talked to said yall left with a boat load and was worried about you, told him you do it all the time! hopefully yall had some luck or at least a good time
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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11/27/19 09:52 AM
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Had a good time for sure. But it was cut short. stayed in my stand till 11 Saturday morning, did a mini drive towards one of my buddies, and return to camp for lunch. River had come up within a vertical foot of the tent. And was rising. We broke camp and got out of there. First time since 86 I had to break camp before we got wet. Last year the area was already flooded and we hunted in a different location. Maybe try hunting from a canoe? I've seen several deer along the banks of rivers while checking traps. Some times they just look at you funny, some run, others just walk away.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
[Re: k snow]
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11/27/19 10:07 AM
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Had a good time for sure. But it was cut short. stayed in my stand till 11 Saturday morning, did a mini drive towards one of my buddies, and return to camp for lunch. River had come up within a vertical foot of the tent. And was rising. We broke camp and got out of there. First time since 86 I had to break camp before we got wet. Last year the area was already flooded and we hunted in a different location. Maybe try hunting from a canoe? I've seen several deer along the banks of rivers while checking traps. Some times they just look at you funny, some run, others just walk away. That works. Have used the technique several times, but prefer a lightweight Jon boat. You can conduct successful "mini" drives with 2 or 4 hunters leapfrogging down a river. With two, check wind for best side to drive, then drop one off on the bank and quietly row/paddle down 200 yards or so. Pull boat up on bank, take a stand offering good view of river upstream and into the woods along the bank upstream. Dropped off hunter begins still hunting towards the boat. Good technique. With four hunters you drop off two, one on each bank, go down the river, standers on each side. We've done this on several rivers down here. Good later season technique when most hunters have found the couch and the deer have somewhat settled down.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
[Re: k snow]
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11/27/19 11:35 AM
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Don't you have 5 days to register your deer? How can they come up with those figures from opening week end.
Not 5 days. Must be registered by 5pm the day after the harvest. I believe it is by 5pm the day after the animal is recovered so that could lead to two days after it being shot when the recovery is made the following day. Dave
Forever in debt to my Father who introduced me to trapping. May I be half the man he was.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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11/27/19 11:58 AM
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I did the canoe hunt thing for a season in the forest when it was very warm for the opener. Got the canoe in at about 5 AM and paddled the 3/4 of a mile to a big beaver dam where I had seen lots of sign. Got organized and out and when I got to where I planned to sit there was a guy already there. He had come in about 1/2 mile from the logging road. Got in the canoe and paddled to the other side and as I touched the shore a hunter flashed his flashlight 3 times. He came in off a logging road about 3/4 of a mile! So I paddle back and found a place to hunt. That was 20 odd years ago when there were many hunters in the area. Might be doable now. I always pictured in my mind those photos one sees of a guy paddling a canoe with a buck on board. Just never worked out for me.
Bryce I was thinking more of shooting from the canoe/boat. Obviously you couldn't have a motor. I've seen quite a few deer right along the water's edge when paddling.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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11/27/19 12:04 PM
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I have killed 10 deer out of a boat. All during the bow season. Set up 30 yards from a major deer crossing (small streams) and fill your tags.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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11/27/19 12:16 PM
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I did the canoe hunt thing for a season in the forest when it was very warm for the opener. Got the canoe in at about 5 AM and paddled the 3/4 of a mile to a big beaver dam where I had seen lots of sign. Got organized and out and when I got to where I planned to sit there was a guy already there. He had come in about 1/2 mile from the logging road. Got in the canoe and paddled to the other side and as I touched the shore a hunter flashed his flashlight 3 times. He came in off a logging road about 3/4 of a mile! So I paddle back and found a place to hunt. That was 20 odd years ago when there were many hunters in the area. Might be doable now. I always pictured in my mind those photos one sees of a guy paddling a canoe with a buck on board. Just never worked out for me.
Bryce I was thinking more of shooting from the canoe/boat. Obviously you couldn't have a motor. I've seen quite a few deer right along the water's edge when paddling. If you're hunting by yourself you do use a motor. Once you're downstream and done, you fire the motor up and head back to the landing.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
[Re: Green Bay]
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12/01/19 09:08 PM
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Well boys - the traditional 9 day gun deer season is over. Hard weather conditions across the state on the last weekend - torrential rains, sleet, and snow. I have a feeling the overall kill will be way down. The good news is a lot of bucks will make it through so they will be bigger next year.
Hope everyone had a safe, satisfying season.
Brian
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
[Re: Green Bay]
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12/02/19 11:14 AM
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I decided to wait to fill my last antlerless tag with the bow even though I had plenty of opportunities last night. Never could catch up to a buck this year that I was interested in. First year that I saw more white bucks than brown ones from the gun stand, but that was just because I only saw one brown buck all gun season.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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12/10/19 08:12 AM
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I'd call this a successful hunt great time with The Boy in the stand. He sure is excited about getting his chance to hunt deer next year. https://youtu.be/skGNfXUkoXU
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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01/21/20 09:56 PM
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I harvested and registered 2 deer but really had to work hard for them. Heard from others that stated why even register them, we didn't! Makes you wonder how many other hunters fail to register the harvest or register their first bow kill deer but skip the rest! Just my opinion!
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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01/21/20 11:56 PM
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if there are so many they should just make the tags good till March 31 and close season when quota is met for a county.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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01/22/20 01:16 AM
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The state believes they are north of 90% adherence to the registration requirement. Surveys and enforcement checks are how they feel like they have a good handle on it. That said, they didn't have any numbers on in person registration and adherence to that type of registration. That was in the deer hunting presentation to the NRB today. Tomorrow the board looks at possible changes. Might be a good meeting to listen to.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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01/22/20 08:44 AM
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I keep hearing about the huge number of non registered deer. Yet everyone I know and communicate with reliably register. And for just me, that is a quite a few hunters. I don't buy the numbers claimed. Same here and I know a lot of hunters.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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01/22/20 01:59 PM
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For those that didn't watch, it sounds like there are going to be quite a few questions on the Conservation Congress spring questionnaire relating to deer. When you include department, NRB, and CC advisory questions, it includes everything from shortening Xbow season, extending rifle season to 16 days, moving rifle season earlier, possible simplification changes to antlerless tags and a few others. It will be interesting to see how the input breaks down this spring.
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01/23/20 12:09 AM
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If they extended the rifle season and took the week before rifle season away and Made the rifle Season during the rut like stated in the article I read I wound sell my land and just hunt in another state. I truly believe the number of hunters is declining because the hunting is so bad in so many areas. Too many predators too many tags not enough deer on the public lands
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So, take the prime rut away from crossbow hunters. That will encourage more hunters to buy a license, huh? Thought we did away with tags? Simplification means tagging a crossbow shot deer killed during gun deer season with a gun tag? What?? Doing away with management zones will simplify regulations?? Can't make this stuff up. Really??? Oh, I don't think that will reenergize the gun season. What we have here is a huge cluster#@$& in the making. Alienating all of the young, old and new hunters who have found success with the crossbow will only result in fewer licenses sold in the future. Just tell me when I've got to wear blaze orange while trapping so I don't get shot whilst bent over checking a mink set in the waybacks.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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Alienating all of the young, old and new hunters who have found success with the crossbow will only result in fewer licenses sold in the future.
I never understood why anyone would try to do this. In the business world, you embrace what the market wants. IMO, there are a few key trends. The current hunting public is getting older and folks gravitate towards bow hunting. So why not embrace it. Create every incentive possible to get those aging gun hunters to pick up bow hunting. It has the ability to retain them as a long as possible. Better weather, less pressured deer, and way more places to go. The use of crossbows has the ability to attract new folks that would not have picked up bow hunting before, but not when the season is under attack every year. Everyone is concerned about the shift in harvest of bucks from the gun season to bow season. Embrace it. Folks had no problem embracing the shift in harvest of bobcats from trapping to hunting. Folks vote with their dollars. The longer we fight this shift the more folks we force to walk away. Any one have thoughts on how it could be made better?
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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It was NRB member Kaz that has pushed for Xbow restrictions and this is his latest push. WI Bow Hunters Association is right there with him. Like said previously let a good thing stay. Xbows have brought so many new participants in to the hunting community but that seems lost in the discussion.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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WE the Xbow hunters killed more bucks then the other archery group and they don't like it. The WI bow hunters think those bucks belong to them.. In just about 100% of the time your doctor will give you a pass so you will be able to use the Xbow no matter what the dick headed bow hunters say.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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we in WI no longer need a "pass" from the doctor now kids , women , over 65 and everyone else can just purchase a crossbow license or for a few dollars upgrade the standard archery license.
DNR says Deer need shot , sets numbers , we should hunt till we reach the numbers or get to spring.
bow hunters have lobbied for longer and longer season , the don't like extra gun season , they don't like xbow
the fact of the matter is they hang out looking for perfect antlers far to much and they need to put up or shut up on the numbers.
it is not effective to heard management to give 4 months to a method of harvest not putting up numbers.
I think a private lands only antler-less season Oct 15 to the 31 muzzle loader or just run Muzzle loader season till January 5, something to encourage numbers in high population areas. it does nothing if you give away unlimited free tags and people have one or two weeks of bad weather post rut to use them.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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It isn’t a matter of good or bad Weather or what season you put in place. We the private land owners around here Will not use the Ridiculous amount of tags they give out to dwindle our deer herd away any farther. Everyone obviously has different opinions on population and how the season should be structured. I personally would love to see wi have the rifle season the same time as Iowa but for 9 days straight after The rut has dwindled down. But I would also like to see apr’s and a limited season on crossguns for people who aren’t disabled or over 65 and I would like to see registration back in person with attached tags.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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But If The WBA shortens the Xbow season then you will still be able to hunt during the regular archery season If your 65 or have a doctors pass. They can't take that away from you.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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. . . But I would also like to see apr’s and a limited season on crossguns for people who aren’t disabled or over 65 and I would like to see registration back in person with attached tags. What's a crossgun?
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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Yes 65 or older or disabled would have a regular archery license Lol it has a scope and a trigger it’s a gun
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Yes 65 or older or disabled would have a regular archery license Lol it has a scope and a trigger it’s a gun Ah . . . elitist mentality. So, a trigger release is technically not a trigger? Or it is a trigger? Then all of the bowhunters using trigger releases are actually using guns? And if it had a peep sight instead of a scope then it would not be a gun? Or if a fella put a scope on a bow then it would become a gun? Interesting.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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Lol you got it! I just think a able bodied person sitting in a box blind with a a crossgun shouldn’t be allowed The same seasons as a archery hunter. Same reason to have a shorter and separate rifle season.
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I use a traditional compound bow and I plan to switch to a crossbow when that time arrives. Archery Season should be whatever method you desire, Long Bow, Recurve, Compound, or Crossbow. X2
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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Lol you got it! I just think a able bodied person sitting in a box blind with a a crossgun shouldn’t be allowed The same seasons as a archery hunter. Same reason to have a shorter and separate rifle season. I think muzzle loader season should run parallel archery cross bow and we call the whole thing primitive. I think in one season we would reach harvest goals if your on the ground you should wear an all orange hat or 50% blaze orange vest minimum in a stand a 144sq inches of orange on any public land.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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So my nine year old needs to be limited to October and late season archery because she uses a crossbow? I get folks infatuation with the shift in harvest but.... Shortening the crossbow season will have no impact on stopping the shift in harvest from gun to bow IMO. Take a look at the chart on page 8. https://dnr.wi.gov/topic/Hunt/documents/WeaponUseReport.pdfThis shift in harvest started long before xbows and it really didn't change the trajectory once legalized. The only real shot it has to be successful is if continues to drive folks away from hunting, but then again, is it really successful? We just robbed Peter to pay Paul so compound bow hunters better be ready to give up some of their season too. Take a look at page 9. Only 10,000 hunters bag two bucks a year. So if the vast majority only shoot one or less bucks a year, why wouldn't more folks shift to bow hunting since the season is longer, weather is nicer, and deer are moving more naturally. Compound bows have made huge strides and becoming proficient is pretty easy for folks that have the time and physical body strength. Plus, bow hunting plays well to gun hunters new found love of a sedentary lifestyle.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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Hunters need to quit arguing amongst themselves about things like this because there’s large amount of libtards in Madison and Milwaukee that would love to see a division in the hunting ranks. I’m referring to the choice of weapon during bow season. And btw. Me and my kids use long bow and recurves most of the time
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It isn’t a matter of good or bad Weather or what season you put in place. We the private land owners around here Will not use the Ridiculous amount of tags they give out to dwindle our deer herd away any farther. Everyone obviously has different opinions on population and how the season should be structured. I personally would love to see wi have the rifle season the same time as Iowa but for 9 days straight after The rut has dwindled down. But I would also like to see apr’s and a limited season on crossguns for people who aren’t disabled or over 65 and I would like to see registration back in person with attached tags. APR's stink and we don't need them here in WI. We are one of the better big hunting states and the history books prove it.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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muskrat and tlguy got this right X2
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Yes 65 or older or disabled would have a regular archery license Lol it has a scope and a trigger it’s a gun Most compounds have cross hair sights and release trigger so they are a gun as well. w
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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They do in China- might help your shoulder and other stuff. Hmmm . . . haven't considered that. Thanks.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/...d2b2ddf-5bf0-5e0d-860f-3707adf12d85.htmlI found it interesting that Greg Kazmierski the DNR Board member suggesting some of these changes owns an archery shop in Delafield, WI. Yes, Buck Rub Archery sells compound bows but the mainstay of their offerings are premium vertical bow brands. All things being equal, there is way more revenue and margin from selling a vertical bow compared to a compound - think about the value add of accessories and set-up alone. Are these proposed changes good for an environment of declining license sales and declining harvest reports or good for his business?
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I tend to think it is more productive to attack ideas and leave the people out of it.
Personally, I may not like his ideas, but I think Kaz's heart is in the right place. He sees the shift in harvest from gun to bow. He recognizes that ~600K buy a gun license and ~300K buy archery. If the 600K start to think they don't have a chance at a buck because the 300K already harvested 40+% of the antlered bucks before they can enter the woods, that could lead to a pretty big revenue gap in short order. As that percentage continues to climb, the sediment will grow so what's your solution?
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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I tend to think it is more productive to attack ideas and leave the people out of it.
Personally, I may not like his ideas, but I think Kaz's heart is in the right place. He sees the shift in harvest from gun to bow. He recognizes that ~600K buy a gun license and ~300K buy archery. If the 600K start to think they don't have a chance at a buck because the 300K already harvested 40+% of the antlered bucks before they can enter the woods, that could lead to a pretty big revenue gap in short order. As that percentage continues to climb, the sediment will grow so what's your solution?
I would tend to agree on attacking the ideas- I also like to understand WIIFM... What's in it for me? That often drives the wrong behavior when you're looking a outcomes that can be self serving. In my opinion, there are two paradigm shifts happening at the same time. Crossbow sales are up and the omnichannel shopping experience has gained a lot of traction. Using my vertical bow as an example, Mathews, not sold at retail, it’s a destination purchase from a dealer (not available at a big box retailer) and dealers must be a certain distance from one another to qualify. I go to an archery shop to make the purchase because set-up is also a key consideration when buying a vertical bow. I probably will add the following: peep, nocking loop, drop away rest, sight and maybe quiver, release and stabilizer. My bow is now the price of a Browning A Bolt. Tomorrow, I decide to buy a compound, Amazon becomes my first consideration because set-up is not a priority, I can buy a 10pt or Barnett with a bundle at a lower cost and sighting in, well within anyone’s skill set- is the only thing I need to do. If I owned an archery shop that specializes in vertical bows and service after the sale- I’m now selling buggy whips.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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I would tend to agree on attacking the ideas- I also like to understand WIIFM... What's in it for me? That often drives the wrong behavior when you're looking a outcomes that can be self serving. In my opinion, there are two paradigm shifts happening at the same time. Crossbow sales are up and the omnichannel shopping experience has gained a lot of traction. Using my vertical bow as an example, Mathews, not sold at retail, it’s a destination purchase from a dealer (not available at a big box retailer) and dealers must be a certain distance from one another to qualify. I go to an archery shop to make the purchase because set-up is also a key consideration when buying a vertical bow. I probably will add the following: peep, nocking loop, drop away rest, sight and maybe quiver, release and stabilizer. My bow is now the price of a Browning A Bolt. Tomorrow, I decide to buy a compound, Amazon becomes my first consideration because set-up is not a priority, I can buy a 10pt or Barnett with a bundle at a lower cost and sighting in, well within anyone’s skill set- is the only thing I need to do. If I owned an archery shop that specializes in vertical bows and service after the sale- I’m now selling buggy whips.
Of course none of us are greedy, it's only the other fellow that is greedy -- Milton Freedman. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWsx1X8PV_AWhile some good points, I tend to think that stuff is all noise. It doesn't get us any closer to understanding if there truly is a problem and if so, what needs to be done. Look at the true concern that I highlighted above and I am truly curious to get your take. I will add one more piece that may or may not be relevant. Take turkey hunting. The season framework was changed and divided the season into separate parts to disperse hunters. Today, thousands of available tags for later season go unpurchased. Is it because folks don't think it is worth their time to go out....all the birds have been harvested already or some other reason? What if gun hunters start following the turkey hunters lead and quit buying the later season tags? How much revenue will be lost?
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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. . . As that percentage continues to climb, the sediment will grow so what's your solution? How does one grow sediment?
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I tend to think it is more productive to attack ideas and leave the people out of it.
Personally, I may not like his ideas, but I think Kaz's heart is in the right place. He sees the shift in harvest from gun to bow. He recognizes that ~600K buy a gun license and ~300K buy archery. If the 600K start to think they don't have a chance at a buck because the 300K already harvested 40+% of the antlered bucks before they can enter the woods, that could lead to a pretty big revenue gap in short order. As that percentage continues to climb, the sediment will grow so what's your solution?
The assumption is most of the 600K gun hunters deer hunt primarily to shoot a buck. And the reason they don't see bucks during gun deer season is because the archers (and crossgunners for NE Wildlife) have already harvested 40+-% of them. Therefore, the DNR needs to limit the number of bucks shot by archers (and crossgunners for NE Wildlife) prior to gun deer season so the 600K will have something to shoot at. But the archers who use crossbows (and crossguns for NE Wildlife) are more successful than archers who use inferior weapons but are still classified as bows (except for bowguns for those using a bow with a trigger release for NE Wildlife). Therefore, we must restrict the use of crossbows (and crossguns for NE Wildlife) during the prime time of the rut in November so not as many bucks will be killed so the 600K gun deer hunters will believe they will see more bucks in the woods come gun deer season. Dang . . . pure genius! Now it all makes sense.
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Don't you think that the majority of gun hunters also hunt with either a bow or a cross bow. Every one I know does.
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The assumption is most of the 600K gun hunters deer hunt primarily to shoot a buck.
It might be an assumption, but does it have merit? Look at participation in antlerless only seasons. Are folks voting with their time?
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Don't you think that the majority of gun hunters also hunt with either a bow or a cross bow. Every one I know does. I would have to check Gary, but I think it was between half and a third buy both licenses. But this is a big factor. Folks don't buy both unless they take up bow hunting at some point. Surprisingly, even with those folks buying two license, very few actually harvest two bucks a year (~10K)
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Seeing how it’s about cash run the gun season during the rut. Really knock em off. Many happy hunters. Happy hunters recruit.
It would be cool to see the woods quiet before thanksgiving. Right now state statue dictates the gun season start the Saturday before Thanksgiving. Doesn't mean it isn't possible, just adds another level of difficulty to accomplish. You also bring up a good point about other user groups. We saw that a little last year with snowmobilers and later deer hunts. Trappers have been having access issues until the festivities are over as well.
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Aw heck, just open November to weapon of choice and be done with it. Everybody will be happy and nobody will be happy. Just let me know when I've got to wear blaze orange (blaze pink for the Beav) whilst trapping. I have to agree with that statement. There is no easy solution, and it seems like everyone will lose and nobody will win. I love fall turkey hunting, and hate having to wear blaze orange while doing it. I like the idea posted earlier about a primitive weapons season from sept thru december, bow and muzzleloader, no blaze required. The a regular 9 day with blaze orange, or pink, whatever. I bow hunt and gun hunt, long bow, flintlock and 30-30 or scoped 06. I want to shoot meat. Antlers don't matter either way. First deer that offers me an ethical shot gets killed. Don't preach to me about trophy management.
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The members of WBA what the rut all to themselves and that's It In a nut shell. They don't care about deer management unless It manages them to hunt the rut.
If I lay down my money to hunt deer then no special interest group should be able to tell me when I can hunt. This Isn't merry old England and the kings deer. WBA
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I like the idea posted earlier about a primitive weapons season from sept thru december, bow and muzzleloader, no blaze required. The a regular 9 day with blaze orange, or pink, whatever.
There is something about this idea that keeps drawing me to it, but I keep coming back to the idea that it would actually make the issue worse, not better if we look at the concern they are trying to solve. It would increase buck harvest before the gun hunters get a crack at them. That said, there is another question about a lottery for limited tag items as a way to increase revenue for the department. Like they do for elk. Legislators have not been keen on increasing fees, but they have started to show a willingness to look at lotteries. I wonder if they did a lottery for this type of tag, what the interest would be?
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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If they want to shoot a buck that bad, get a muzzleloader or take up bowhunting.
Not saying I don't agree with you, but now comes the million dollar question...are you going to allow the use of in-lines and scopes in this primitive hunt?
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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And here I though all the nuts lived in MN.
It's a deer, kill them.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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And here I though all the nuts lived in MN. It's a deer, kill them.
Finally a nonresident has joined the discussion or should I say, enough joined that I noticed their presence. I did see there is a question about raising the license cost for nonresidents on deer and bear as well. Lots of possible changes that go outside season length. That one falls under WCC advisory question. That is where you see the questions about badger season, extending bobcat season, and a host of other topics. https://p.widencdn.net/d0xgfq/2020-01-4D-Congress-Matters-2020-spring-hearing-advisory-questions
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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If they want to shoot a buck that bad, get a muzzleloader or take up bowhunting.
Not saying I don't agree with you, but now comes the million dollar question...are you going to allow the use of in-lines and scopes in this primitive hunt? if taking of deer is what is important , I am only looking for a safe way to do it in a longer season. I think we got away from the iron sights only during ml season because then you have all the people who have vision issues who have to get an exception. just like all the people who had bad shoulders bad back ect.. that would have to get a xbow exception that when your DR made you go through a Physical Therapist and your insurance would not cover it your dropping hundreds on BS state bureaucracy. you could make muzzle loader antler-less only start it oct 1 and run it for the month so you get the heard management your wanting but not uspet the vertical bow folks so much they will likely raise a fuss no matter what. I say muzzle loader but could as easily be single shot rifle , the point is take deer , control heard size, in the locations that need it and use the resources that pay you for the privilege of shooting deer. I don't get all this "this tool is too good concern" . you want heard management or not? offer a way through extended season and tags to get the management you want.where you want it . we have an over abundance of a species in specific areas in the state. We have a resource of people who would be willing to harvest them for free. we need to get the people resource in touch with the landowners and give them time to harvest the numbers that make for better herd management.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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Are they allowing to vote online this year in case you cannot make the meeting? Yes
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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For those that didn't watch, it sounds like there are going to be quite a few questions on the Conservation Congress spring questionnaire relating to deer. When you include department, NRB, and CC advisory questions, it includes everything from shortening Xbow season, extending rifle season to 16 days, moving rifle season earlier, possible simplification changes to antlerless tags and a few others. It will be interesting to see how the input breaks down this spring. Until they remove politics and people that know nothing about hunting from setting our rules, things won't get better.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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On line voting Is going to screw us.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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On line voting Is going to screw us. From what I heard when the allowed it, the online votes didn't hold much water.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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So they are going to throw out the on line votes. If that happens that gives the antis more ammunition.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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What do we want the deer seasons in WI to accomplish?
Do we want the harvest of deer to be keyed mostly to manage the herd size and numbers and provide as good of sporting opportunities that we can?
Or do we want the hunt to be heavily favored for the sport of hunting and let deer herd management fall by the wayside?
No to your first option, its a selfish option, whats good for hunters and screw the rest of the citizens of the state. I think your 2nd option assumes that "sport of hunting" and herd management are not compatible. The answer should be what we want the deer seasons to accomplish is to first keep the herd in check so that the herd is not doing damage to the environment. When the deer herd is such that various native plants are are completely eliminated or unable to complete their life cycles due to deer over browse then the herd is too big and more deer need to be thinned. I'm not even going to go into AG industry and Ins. industries, the effect of herd size greatly effects these industries and then indirectly effects every consumer in the state. This is sound management of natural resources. Managing for larger herds at the expense of other plants, animals and other interests is a poor management model.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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I'm on another forum that's mostly WI guys. Lots are hardcore and hunt a lot and put in the hours. Lots are saying this last year was really bad with low deer sightings. Lots of mobile guys that don't hunt the same 40 or 80 every weekend. These are the guys who's opinions matter to me. They know what's out there. No agenda to push like the dnr. It's been an ongoing slaughter for years. I really wish we'd go back to a format like before all the t zones. Archery season. 9 day gun season. Late archery. No more special antlerless hunts, no more youth hunts. Get back to tradition. Once that framework is back in place, figure where crossbows and muzzleloaders fit in.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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01/24/20 09:55 PM
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For many years, the department kept number artificially high. They limited harvest to keep the quality of experience high. Deer were no different than bears, otter, etc. Then there came a time when folks started to realize there was costs associated with doing so they over corrected IMO. The pendulum continues to swing.
Folks not seeing deer should go hunt Winnebago county. There is enough public you should be able to find some deer if you are willing to work for them. Sure you might bump into folks from time to time, but a guy can get away from folks if you work at it or hunt after opening weekend. The county has great cell coverage so you can register the deer before you even start dragging. Plus, the county has yet to have a positive CWD deer.
IMO that is the great thing about CDACs. They don't have to be a one size fits all approach. Folks locally can make that decision and it doesn't have to be a dictatorship. Folks are forced to work together instead of complaining and expecting someone else to fix the problem or create a different one for someone else.
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