Good words

… I’m sure some big government hands will be in here to argue it shortly lol

Preach it Brother Wilson!

Remember these " Americans" that were fighting against " overbearing and peculiar people" were practicing slavery. Anything hypocritical about this?

The founding fathers were slave owners

If everyone's jumping off a cliff, does that mean you have to, too?

… they weren’t jumping off of cliffs … they were keeping slaves

Does that make it right?

… I could use 2 males

Ok ....Beuford... Answer yes sir then

That's kind of prison talk isn't it?

kinda gay

… you don’t have to worry … you can’t even keep a woman much less a mess of slaves lol

That was my choice, not hers.

Tell us about the soap in the 2 males savel.

… I was at an auction last month… but they looked like they’d eat too much

Fun fact, there were many slaves in the north prior to the war....There's some hypocrisy.

…. To heck with reparations … we deserve refunds

Is slavery ok

And y'all said I was mean!

… he started it lol

The reperations should be for us....Still have trench works on the farm that need grading.

Its all Good.
DD

Lol

Evidently it was up North, Lol.

Your losing when u can't answer a direct question with a direct answer
Lol

No, your losing when you can't secure enough arms & ammunition.....Everything else is justification of your cause & opinion.

Slavery was not okay. An army invading your country wasn't either. Should have been handled at the state level. All it would have took was non slave states and countries refusing to purchase southern cotton. The slave industry would have dried up.

It wouldn't have worked. Most US cotton was sold to Britain and made into cloth in Liverpool. Very little cotton wasn't exported. The other countries didn't care about US slave labor at all.

Keith

I'd like to hear your personal opinion on whether you think slavery is ok. Take a little time to think about it if you need to

I would like to hear someone up North's personal opinion on why it was okay to have slaves up north, then haul off and kill southern people over doing the same thing...Take your time.

I don't think anyone should ever own anybody as property.

I don't think the fed's should trample all over state's rights.

There's one Northerner's opinion.

We're not all "Yankees".

My opinion is if the south had won, the country would not be in the shape it is today. On the other hand, if the lazy plantation owners had harvested their own crops in the first place, it also wouldn't be in the shape it is today. So there. It's both sides fault.

The North had many people who wanted a strong Federal government and wanted to do away with state rights. Slavery was at best, a very minor issue, in most peoples minds.

Keith

Why would u ask a question and expect an answer when you wouldn't reciprocate the same?

Very, very true....I respect that honest assessment.

Oh, I didn't expect a answer at all...I gave exactly what I received.

The difference is I would gave you an answer if you would have answered my question. But for some reason you have reservations about answering mine despite the simplicity of it

Ain't y'all got nothing better to do than revive a 175 year old war?

Your looking for the high ground, you won't get that with me....It would have been the same in the 1860's when my ancestors stacked them up like cord wood, despite never owning any slaves.

I would do the same today, and have absolutely no interest in having slaves.....I would entertain honest discussions about the war, but not manufactured narratives.

Not really, traps are treated and it's 90 degrees here today, Lol.

They'd be part of Mexico if we didn't go down there and slap the Mexicans around after they captured Texas' army.

Guess they never could fight very good

Isn't trying to position yourself on the high ground the whole strategy of a debate??? I assume You wouldn't answer the question because you feel like if you did you couldn't justifiably defend your position anymore.

Your confusing true high ground with false narratives....The truth can be vigorously defended, and I've done that here before.

Did you have family in this war?

No picking corn so I have free time between loads

Only 20% to 25% of CONFEDERATE SOLDIERS owned slaves.

So, what were the other 75% to 80% fighting for?

Somehow, I think I he folks that feel like slavery wasn't a big deal, or should have been handled differently, or can't say outright that slavery was wrong, would feel differently if I get were the slaves and their children were being auctioned off.

In 1850, 42.3% of free blacks owned slaves.

Keith

Exactly. So you should be able to answer truthfully and then if I'm incorrect with where I go with it u should be able to debate my position.

Asking if u believe slavery is wrong is in no way a false narrative and if it was by your own words it could be shoot down with truth.

I dont know if I had any relatives in the civil war

I know exactly where your coming from, everyone else does too....I said I had absolutely no interest in owning slaves, and that my family never owned slaves.

That should have told you what you needed to know....Now on the other hand you also need to know what really happened so you can form intelligent questions.

One possibility was that a large population of them were economically dependent of the slave system even if they themselves didn't own them.

My ancestors were slaves to England....Doesn't change a thing in my view about the War between the States.

I think if you research a bit you won't find that to be particularly true. Slave labor depressed wages and job availability for those who weren't among the upper class, much as illegal immigration does today.

… my family fought for the CSA and some of them did own slaves. The slaves looked healthy and happy in the pictures….. in much better shape than a lot of the crackheads I see wandering around today lol

Your do realize what "really" happened in history is always debatable right. As far as intellect you are the one not answering questions and taking person shots by trying to play off my questions as stupid. Thats usually an avoidance off the real topic when one is run low of counter points

My family history resembles this remark....^^^^^

I'm in no way promoting slavery (it was/is bad), but the war of northern aggression was just that...northern aggression. And 75% to 80% of the southern population took up arms for that very reason.

Lol Yes'sir that's funny , Oh I think I could get right up into you with the facts, but this is Pauls house, and I would really like to stay around awhile....Carry on soldier.

Why would facts cause you to get a ban from Paul hes all been a pretty fair guy from my standpoint

Never known Paul to have a problem with a fair open friendly debate

That's true Swamp Wolf, the raping alone cost a lot of Union soldiers lives.

Here's the debate. The North stance on why they were fighting was to end slavery. The south"s argument had to be on states individual rights largely because pro slavery is a hard position defend. Similar to the abortion debate. One side is about the right of the unborn child. The pro abortion side use to debate whether the unborn child was a life the had human rights but that position largely has been indefensible for they have since moved to the mother's right of choice.

Could the debate be taken down other rabbit holes as to whether those were the main reasons for the war yes but those are the colors both sides flew.

Asking me if slavery was okay is a premeditated setup, because it suggests the war was about slavery, that's not even a fair debate position from the start because the North was guilty as well.

I'm not playing your game....My views on slavery have nothing to do with it.

Pay attention to the people in the south that fought with no connection to slavery....You think they really fought to defend something they had nothing to do with?....Nope, they fought because their wives and daughters got assaulted, barns burned, livestock killed or stolen, etc.

Sorry to disabuse you of your ideas, these things get ugly.

Kind of like we're going to have a nice clean divorce, it seldom happens, and I'm not fighting in someone else's house.

…. lol

In Colossians, the slave is to work respectfully for his master, Colossians 3:22-25. Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord.

The CSA believed in state's rights so much, that they wrote into their constitution that their states could choose whether to be a free state or a slave state.

Oh, wait, no they didn't. They required all their states to be slave states, explicitly forbidding them to opt out, in their constitution.

And the North was so staunchly anti-slavery they kept a few slaves back for themselves to remind everyone how wrong it was, Lol....Preach it Goose!

https://www.history.com/articles/american-slavery-before-jamestown-1619

“People of African descent have been ‘here’ longer than the English colonies.”

My position would be basic human rights trump States individual rights

…. I wish yessir was my slave … even though he’s Caucasian and getting old

We should auction off savell's sons for a t-man fundraiser. I'll start the bidding at $20 for big bud. I've got some chicken poop that needs shoveling. I promise to keep him happy and healthy, at least compared to a crackhead.

…. my kids are not from submissive stock …. They’re whip your commie butt and roll around in that chicken crap lol

I don't know.They could already marry their first cousin and their sister, both, so that wasn't one of the rates they were fighting for maybe it was better dental care?

jk, calm down

Lol, it was the dental care 330, and we still don't have it.

I reduce my opening bid to $15, due to the potential slaves needing discipline upon purchase. The current owner has advised that the slave is not submissive, and the whip and handcuffs I'll need to purchase to induce submissiveness aren't cheap.

…. I might consider it if my kids were living in tribal environment with a good chance of being eaten by their own kind lol

Lol
I love hard work. I can set and watch it all day

You can't use the very few minority corrupt situations to condemn the motives of the majority. I believe its very defendable to say the overwhelming reason for the war in the Norths eyes was slavery

…. Pick cotton and eat fried chicken … or be eaten yourself …. They were probably lining up at the docks lol


Acts of cannibalism in Africa have been reported from various parts of the continent, ranging from prehistory until the 21st century.

An old 10 minute audio....it's worth listening to. Julius Howell is his name and at the end he tells why the South fought.

This Confederate soldier tells about some Virgina engagements and learning of Lincoln's assassination.

I think this is one of only a handfull of recordings of 1st hand accounts.

And you were harmed how?

….. his first love might have been a descendant of kunta kinta or something…. Who knows

Okay slavery was wrong, so let's condemn 99.9% of all humans that ever existed, their history and culture, and while we're at their descendants and legacy.

The abolishment of slavery ain't even been here a minute in the scheme of things and is more utopian pipe dream than fact with folks like you actively opposing the efforts to eradicate it fully.

Curious, why is it those with the most to gain from slavery act as if they are the most impacted personally by it?

By corruption of basic human rights and the crimes against humanity that hinder the functionality of a free and just society

So you are somewhere around one hundred and eighty five years old and didn't get your freedom on your 21st birthday?

I asked just how WERE YOU DIRECTLY HARMED. Not some theorectically strawman.

By your reasoning the king of England owes me big.

As for a free and just society it seems like we functioned quite well until a bunch New England Karens got up in everybody's business and busted it all up.

Honestly I couldn't see where me being directly harmed really had anything with the discussion really since most of probably weren't so I just made a bs post.

And I'm confused by the king of England owing you based off anything I said. I dont recall saying or implying that anyone in present times owes anyone anything

And I'm guessing by ur reasoning ur 185 years since you said "we" functioned just fine back then?

Yep. I am in ks. My mammas family came out of TN and my dads
family rode up out of TX to settle here just prefacing my remarks before pointing out that the war was not only about slavery that was the rallying call and lighting rod but there were other reasons as history buffs here can research

In the context of a war, I can very well use occurences of Northern slave ownership while they (the North) were simultaneously condemning slavery....It's not okay to condone a little hypocrisy vs. widespread hypocrisy to the point of killing. Just to justify the means to another (non slavery) end.

Lincoln lived in Kentucky early on, as did Jefferson Davis for a while after he was born close to here in Fairview....Lincoln was well aware of what went on literally across the mason dixon river line from his early home.

reparations, one way air fair and do not EVER think of coming back. You michigan folks that are on here, what is the deal with letting these muslim freaks take over your towns or cities, blasting their ignorant prayers over a loud speaker early in the morning. Yall a bunch of sissies or just have assimilated. they are in YOur STREETS hollering death to america.

Used to squirrel hunt on a place over on Pin Oak Creek just outside of Hearne. There was some Confederate graves on top the hill on that place and the Daughter's of the Confederacy would still come out and tidy up the graves and put flowers and such. I can't recall the names on their graves, but some of them may have been your kinfolk Savell.

My family fought for the CSA as well. Some also fought in the Texas Revolution prior. All my stock is from the east Kentucky, Missouri, and Mississippi migrations to Texas. I'm proud of it too.

In that area it would be Harlan’s and Mitchell’s on moms side …. They also fought in the Texas Revolution

… the Savells and Kieth’s are from Mississippi

Oh, I have researched it.

You sure seem good at pointing out everyone elses problems ....what is the deal with you Texans letting illegals flood across your border for the last several decades? Yall a bunch of sissies or just assimilated?

Way cool. That property was the family place of one of my buddies. His last name is Robertson. I'll try to get the names off those graves from him. During that time, I'm sure those families knew one another.

Midlander… I almost got hate crime charges on me over it

Lol...Im not doubting you, Savell

…. Them slaves worked all day and got this for free



…. I work all day and have to pay for it lol

Neither.

The carpetbaggers that came in during the 1870s after the Civil War took over pretty much everything including Texas politics. They still run all the major cities and control our politics. It's like Texas' own little AIPAC.

That's awesome. I guarantee our ancestors knew one another and likely fought alongside each other. My mom's side was name Neighbors. All I know about them was that one of the grandfathers was an Indian Negotiator for the Texas Republic or something.

My Dad's side goes back to the Highsmith's as Great Grandma was a Highsmith. Her Grandfather was Benjamin Franklin Highsmith. All my Lewis kin is mostly buried in the Sabinal Canyon of Texas, but my moms' side was from central Texas and buried there.

Benjamin Highsmith

…. They likely did

If slavery comes back into style during my lifetime

… I’m going to save up for W’Dawg .. have him in the kitchen cooking up some of that gumbo lol

There are a few facts not generally considered..having slaves has occurred in all societies through time..tribes of Indians kept members of other tribes as slaves, Indians kept whites as slaves. In Africa, they kept people from other tribes and a lot of those are where the ones shipped to the US came from.
One of the biggest ironies..Robert E Lee was hated because he fought for the CSA. Wasn't a slave owner. Didn't believe in it. Ulysses S Grant..regarded as the savior of the slaves and loved..was a slave owner.

^^^ the high and mighty yanks don’t care to hear all that

Nope, at the time, they just wanted to take out the competition. Same thing going on across the middle east, Ukraine, and Venezuela as we speak.

Honest question.

How many of us know people that would be much better off in life getting three hots and a cot for life in exchange for free labor?

With .gov's welfare system I think that might be already in place....minus the labor part of course. lol

Grandpa Levi J. Knight (my 5th great grandpa)
One of the first white settlers in this part of Georgia. Went from killing marauding Creek/Seminole Indians in this area in the 1830s-40s to leading some of his same Ga militia in the War of Northern Aggression.

That some great history Swamp Wolf....I'd be proud of that.

Ive been to the graves of Grandpa Knight, his parents, his daughter, his granddaughter, his great granddaughter (she died when I was a toddler/she was my great grandma), and then my grandmother.

There were several of his brothers, sons, and son in laws that fought the Creeks as they were travelling thru here heading into Florida. Some of those guys went on to join the Confederacy. One or 2 of those were killed in battles.

I have a very connected family history here in southern Georgia.

…. Had a couple that fought in the battle of Atlanta Swamp … one didn’t make it

… maybe our kin knew one another

Here's an article printed in a Yankee newspaper written by Grandpa Knight after one indian skirmish about 30 miles north of where I currently live. This letter was written to the Georgia governor.

Its a bit hard to read but it can be made out if you zoom in.

… uncle Swamp… if our kin ever did meet…. I bet mine beat yours in arm wrestling… matter of fact I’d garauntee it

Probably.....but Grandpa and 'dem didn't mind shooting a fleeing Creek squaw in the back with #4 buckshot.

…. Well them injuns didn’t mind scalping a white woman either.. so turn abouts fair play lol

Also says they left 'em laying where they fell for the buzzards and other wild critters.

Seems Grandpa didnt have much use for those Indians.

I bet they treated them Yanks the same way about 15 years later...

During my GW years, I stumbled across two seperate old log cabins grown over by the woods that had wooden shutters that when shut had gun ports cut into them. Must have been a bit rough back then for the early settlers.

Got pics of them somewhere in all the pics I have.

… find them and post them

…. We got wild Africans and methheads you got to watch out for around here lol

Oh that would be cool to see swamp.

Oh! You said methheads. I thought you said Methodists. lol. Gotta look out for those rascals.

… I got faith he’ll find them and post em up

The 32nd Alabama Infantry fought from Chickamauga to Nashville. They were the unit atop Missionary Ridge when Sherman broke out of Chattanooga. My ggg grandfather Cpl Malcom McLeod was lost in that battle, his brother Cpt Daniel McLeod was there and lost a son and son in law in addition to his brother. Matter of fact because the regiment was raised by county each company was more or less made up of kinsmen and cousins. Missionary Ridge left alot of widows in Clarke county, Alabama. They were consolidated with the 58th Alabama Infantry for the remainder of the war and finally mustered out at Spanish Fort on the Eastern Shore on Mobile Bay.

BTW, I recently learned that landmines were used by the confederacy in the battles at Spanish Fort and Blakely. They were 12 pounder shells equipped with a pressure detonator. Only known from there and Savannah. Shame they weren't developed earlier.