This was an organized op that went south. Sounds like the "missus" needs to be charged with murder. If you or I sent our significant other in to do a crime that it is reasonable to believe carries the risk of death we would be charged with that death if it occured.

Training suggests conspiracy to commit this crime, a felony that could very well fall under RICO.

Since it involves acts directly against federal authority it might even stray into insurrection, actual insurrection not a senior class trip set up.

It's a shame the feds are spread so thin and no local prosecutor wil pick this up but this could roll up quite a few.

I think she needed a refresher course on the "listening to commands" part. They should have stayed in Canada.

Play stupid games...........

When a stupid prize

… when a stupid prize does what ?

{{{{Yawn}}}}

Honestly, regardless of her "training", after seeing "the video", unless there is a LOT more to it, that shooting was unjustified. The officer that fired the shots was in no way in danger of severe bodily harm or death and to hear Bondi describe it was B.S. He could have easily taken one step back, or none at all, and be safe. She was shot going 1 mile per hour.
I am a conservative and lawful, and believe in supporting law enforcement, however the use of deadly force should be a last resort.
In this instance, killing her was stupid and un-necessary.

The Liberal media will not report any of this.

I simply can’t believe all of you folks who are sooo certain that the shooting wasn’t justified. Here are the facts


1. She ignored commands to shut off and get out of the vehicle.
2. She then proceeded to put her vehicle in reverse and back up.
3. She then put vehicle in drive and quickly accelerate forward.
4. The agent in front of her stepped sideways to not be run over but was still hit.
5. His single shot went thru the front window and found its mark.

Sad deal for all involved, but to say it is his fault is absolutely insane. Had she followed orders she would still be here today. She had been blocking roads and commiting federal crimes throughout the day. Sometimes poor decisions have very poor outcomes. All fault lies with her and her crazy partner…. Please tell me where I missing something…

I read he fired one shot though the wind shield and 2 more through the window as she passed.

The cop has allegedly been ran over and dragged 100 yards and in the hospital with 30 stitches before. I dont blaim him for not taking chances this time.

If he didn’t pull the trigger would he have been harmed?

Did the vehicle have reverse?

Just his ego

Did he know that?

I can’t call it, but I’ve never seen a vehicle drive sideways

If she didn't disobey a lawful command would she have been shot?

Ol dad

How was the officer to know that there were no bystanders in danger behind him - if she was willing to run over a police officer, she could have hit others. If she was ready and willing to run over a cop - is that the type of person to give the benefit of the doubt?

There were more officers farther up the road. You can see them in the videos.

Keith

Who got run over? That’s blatantly and obviously false. She should have obeyed commands, which lead to this outcome, but I doubt that agent even needed medical attention. He walked to her car after the shooting occurred and appeared perfectly fine.

They were trained to resist ICE officers. Trained to resist. That means she was not going to obey any order and who know what or where she was gonna go next. No one knows what their training was or what her "mission" was.

ICE protects or borders and maintains immigration law. She was against that per her "training". She played a stupid game against a well armed opponent. Really stupid move on her part. She initiated her presence in that situation. She had a bad outcome because of her own decision.

"Get out of the vehicle!"

"No!"

BAM

Not in America, right?

… yeah you shouldn’t just shoot brainwashed liberal lesbians like that

.. we should be more humane

.. maybe just catch them and put em in those mobile chicken tractors like W’Dawg builds and give them estrogen

… make ‘em watch gone with the wind or steel magnolias until they normalize

.. something like that

Good idea ....sevel

Do you honestly think you have the right and ability to say no and make it stick? Forget the gun and trying to drive over a cop. You're sitting on the side of the road and a uniformed officer tells you to step out of the vehicle and you say no, what do you think is going happen? That he'll apologise and let you drive off?

Not on your life, you will be exiting the vehicle with or without lumps, your choice. Now right wrong or otherwise it is no longer within your power to stop what is going to happen and the remainder is for your attorney and a judge and/or jury to determine.

Is it right? Maybe, maybe not it all depends on just why you were stopped and asked to step out and whether they can prove it by lawful means.

You toss in a few rights, lefts or weapons and you just might be letting your estate settle matters for for you.

And I say all this as one accused of being a cop hater.

If the individual chooses to accelerate a 2000# vehicle in the general direction of a law enforcement officer, it becomes a weapon. At that moment the individual should be shot.

… if you don’t learn to spell my name correctly… I’m gonna ride up there and rip them goofy looking crow wings off your head lol

Did that officer know positively there were no bystanders or cops in the road behind him as he was struck by the car and discharged his weapon. In addition to failure to comply, she intentionally threw the car into reverse and potentially could have injured the cop holding onto the door handle. It is highly likely, in her state of mind, she did not look behind her when backing up - two people had just walked behind the car - if more had been there, she would have hit them. She did intentionally run into a cop. The woman was deranged at this point, if not before.

So reckless driving is punishable by the death penalty?

Since we're playing stupid here, I guess I would ask you why she didn't just move out of the way of the bullet?

Ol dad

She went there to raise he$$ and it worked. Perfect ending.

What are the normal rules on use of force for federal agents, and were they followed here?
ICE agents like the one involved in Wednesday’s shooting work within the Department of Homeland Security. For its part, the Justice Department cautioned against officers shooting at moving vehicles and encouraged police departments to prohibit it.

The DOJ’s use-of-force policy forbids its own agents and officers from firing at a moving vehicle unless it poses a threat of death or serious injury “and no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle.”

From the DOJ.

When they are intentionally placing other people at risk of bodily harm - yes.

Unjustified? you are delusional. If someone tries to run me over with a car, I'm shooting the SOB.

100% justified. All day. Officer in front of the car has a fractions of a second to comprehend the threat moving towards him. Once the switch is thrown and engagement is on, the time to shut it off doesn’t happen nearly as quick. The gal behind the wheel used far more time to determine that the best thing that she could do is drive towards an officer with another just beside her door.

Bad outcome, yes. Officers did what needed to be done in that moment.

I sure am glad all y'all numb nuts are faster than a speeding car while running backward, no less.

I, for one, am too old and too fat to run anywhere other than to the john. Car comes at me. I ain't second guessing, I'll light it up.

Some of y'all are letting your natural cautionary fear of government abuse of power, a totally natural and laudable fear that I share with you, color your opinions. While some are lost in TDS delusion.

IMO, there is no possible way to square saying you fully support what ICE is doing in rounding up illegals yet call this act of self-defense unacceptable. It is merely an unfortunate outcome of that which you say you fully support because were it not a protester, it would be an illegal fighting back. To be crass, you can't make an omelet without cracking some eggs.

It appears some of you should go and interfere with the “interferers” iffin you want them to stay safe. lol

There are fake accounts from all sides, that will run any lie they want.


You literally cant believe anything.

50 to 60% of the accounts on social media are bots driving an agenda.

You play with fire you're going to get burnt

I'm as conservative and pro law enforcement as anyone but this photo does bother me. A human life is a human life whether its an unborn child, a left wing kook or a right wing patriot. I've watched every video released and studied this photo. Was it justified? I can't answer that, I'll leave that up to the people who know more than I do. It it worrisome to me? Yes but I'm not making judgements.

I would argue that had she complied with a uniformed officers reasonable request to get out of the car, this footage would never exist.

No matter which side you're on, this might be the dumbest comment yet.

She was interfering with LE acting in a lawful manner enforcing the law. She was breaking the law. Did she need killing? I would hate to be on a jury that decides this one.

https://youtu.be/AdgEsZc27zs?si=sDgvFuAYwkapPJzi

The car was coming at the agent in front of it he shot her. Watch the whole video of the incident.

THIS!!!
Yet both “teams” think their side is pushing the truth. lol
Let’s not forget about paid influencers too.

X for example is out of control pushing division. There’s really no point in even going on out anymore unless you’re fine with never seeing content from anyone you follow because all you see are the blue check mark “people”.

The fact that on a forum such as this relative to all the other sport, hobbies and interest in this world and this is being debated at all kinda blows my mind. Actions have consequences. She made premeditated decisions over days, hours, minutes and seconds to put her in that final situation. The officer had seconds to react for his safety and those around him and he acted. Period. This lady was trained to interfere prior to, made a decision to go where they were and antagonize and then disobeyed orders.

If we can’t stand strong in a group that cherishes the outdoors, then we’ve truly lost most other groups within our society. It’s no wonder that the antis gain ground every year.

Lol that’s a question, not a comment.

And what I asked is being suggested by people who are certain that this was a justified action based on her behaviors. I’m not saying she was making good decisions, and who knows her purpose for even being there, but there’s clearly debate on whether he needed to pull the trigger.

"who knows her purpose for even being there"

Really???

You are right about the debate, Leroy Bob, and none of us are going to settle it. Bottom line is, it sucks that this whole thing happened.

She served her purpose for being there. This was going to happen eventually, if not her then someone else.
The purpose of her actions and other "protesters" actions was, and is, to push legal law inforcement until something bad happens, and it did.

The buffoons in the administration, and their spokespeople, couldn't care less about the truth. Trump, Vance, Noem, et al. are maligning the lady for purely divisive political reasons.

I have a suggestion: conduct an honest investigation and shut up until it's done.

Walleye101, I get it. But I’m not going to assume to have all the facts. I’m just going to hope Tampon Tim doesn’t send in the National Guard and put Americans in a situation where they start killing each other so we turn a blind eye to some unprecedented levels of corruption.

You sir are qualified to work at ICE.

Do you own your own mask?

Blaine Blaine Blaine..

Dont give Warrior the opportunity to call you a liberal piece of crap.
Im proud to hold that title as mine for the time being.
Thank you for attention to this subject.

Mac

Proud liberal piece of crap?
Enough said.

Wow, you 2 guys that have no problem letting a car run you over are quite passive. After repeated orders to get out of the car by a law enforcement officer she chose to disobey them and got an alternative result. I haven't seen anyone comment they're happy with the result but it could've been avoided if she would've listened.

If the reports are true that she was trained to disrupt ICE and interfere with law enforcement do you 2 agree with what she was doing? It's a simple question that will be telling on what you think of American citizens or illegal aliens.

If he had said nothing and just shot her, like in the Ashley B. case, I can see it being a problem. It is a tragedy that she wasn’t strong minded enough to not be manipulated. There are many out there and this will not be the last incident.

All this is after that fact, you weren't there at the time in front of the car. both people involved were trained in one way or another before the incident and reacted to their training.......jk

So let's add other obvious context that you left out.

She was ordered to get out of the car. She chose to proceed forward moving in a vehicle that can kill anyone. The ICE agent standing in front of the vehicle was 8-10 ft away at most. It appeared to me the road was slick or had some cold weather precipitation on it. She first moved in a forward motion, THEN turned the wheel. That was a split second decision. She could have very easily turned the wheel back and accelerated and killed the officer. SHE DID NOT STOP WHEN TOLD AND MOVED FORWARD WITH ICE STANDING DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF HER.

I can tell you, and you can also, a persons reaction time to be able to get out of the way of a vehicle accelerating toward you on a slick surface IS A LIFE THREATENING SITUATION. I sincerely hate this happened and it is tragic for anyone to lose their life in this fashion but when three LE are around my vehicle, that means there are three firearms that can be drawn on me at any time. I will be outmanned and outgunned. I would have made the correct decision. She chose to fight THE MAN in favor of illegal immigration and law breaking. It was HER CHOICE. She chose poorly.

Now all you TDS loons that want to argue this, I ask you to go back and review the video with this in mind and tell me I am wrong. The ICE agent can't read minds and does not know the intentions. He made a wise but unfortunate decision. He will have to live with this the rest of his life. The shot was righteous.

Don't turn this into another George Floyd.

How does the "don't listen to cops get shot"
thing work for def people?

If they choose to drive their vehicle in a fashion that is threatening to any LE, it will most likely work out the same. If I see a gun pointed at me, I am not moving my vehicle in any way in a forward motion at the LE pointing the gun. That would be INCREDIBLY STUPID of me and anyone else. Deaf or not.

"Assault with a deadly weapon" invites/demands retaliation with a deadly weapon.

Well after everything i been reading , and watched the clip of the i witness story , yea she was a trained terrorist.

Like floyd, j6, laptop?

Now don't go spewing the truth and other nonsense digger.

You will hurt the feelings of TDS liberals on here.

Life is precious , He cared about His more than she cared about Her's. end of story.

The assimilation is not yet complete

When you were a kid and didn't do what Dad told you to do, you got spanked. Was that Dad's fault or your own?

I spent 25 years in LE, 20 years with the State Police, then 5 years with a Sheriffs Office after I retired. I spent 7 years in the Army and am a veteran of Desert Shield/Desert Storm. I spent my first 4 years with KSP as a road trooper, then the remainder was in narcotics. When I retired, I ran a 10 man narcotics squad, which was all undercover work. I only say this because I feel I have some "skin in the game" based on my experience.
What I also think is important, is I have groups of friends that are NOT law enforcement, retired law enforcement, ex-military, etc... Yes, I obviously have friends that meet that criteria, but my circle is large and also diverse. Meaning, I try to step back and think from outside my "LE mind" if that makes any sense. Having said that, this is just my opinion.

1. Facts WILL change, witness accounts WILL change, statements WILL change, etc... This was also very apparent in the shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri if you all remember that. Take time to read the DOJ report on it, its very eye opening.

2. The video WILL not change. There may be more "angles" and additional footage from body worn cameras, cell phone video, homeowner security cameras, etc, which in this case I hope it does.

3. The very first video I saw, which was the one from behind the vehicle, made me cringe a little. When I saw another angle, which clearly showed the left front portion of her vehicle making contact with the ICE agent, it changed my perspective.

4. We all have the benefit of watching this "after the fact" and there are certainly going to be differences of opinion of what the ICE agent shouldn't have done, or did do. What is important to remember, and what a legal precedent is, "What were the circumstances as the agent "perceived" them to be at that particular time? Is it "reasonable" to believe he may have feared for his life, the life of others, or sustaining "serious physical/bodily injury? Again, lots of debate on this. Taking in the totality of the circumstances, I would say yes. I've seen some comments about how fast the vehicle was moving, he could have stepped out of the way, etc, and that will be taken into account, BUT so will the slippery conditions of the road, which is something to think about. That agent had "milliseconds" NOT seconds to think/process/react. I've been there, I know how it works.

5. Without question, if she simply would have done as instructed, she would be here today. In my experience, bad things happen when people "choose" to ignore lawful commands. When I walked up to a vehicle on a traffic stop, first thing I'm looking for is "hands" , as THIS is most likely what's going to hurt me. If I couldn't see your hands, I would politely ask to please put your hands where I can see them, AND most people would comply. If that was ignored, I would ask again, but the inflection/urgency in my voice would be different. If I had to ask a 3rd time, you would most likely be looking at the end of my gun barrel. It did not mean you were getting shot, but it certainly could have escalated to that.

6. When did it become "OK" to interfere with law enforcement during the course of their duties? Look, I understand that we in LE have brought a host of problems upon ourselves. Bad hiring, bad training, bad judgement, "god complex" etc., I get all that. But, good gosh, is there not a better/smarter way to go about things? Have your day in court.

7. I have these conversations with my circle of friends quite often. I did not wake up every day and do the job so I could harass people, violate their rights, impose my will on them, etc. And, I certainly hoped I would never have to take a human life, which thankfully, I did not. I had situations where I could have, and been justified to do so, but its too much to get into, and quite frankly, most will not understand. On the flip side of this, I would do whatever I had to do to get back to my family every day. In simple terms, if I told you that you were under arrest, you were going to jail. Now, you could comply and go along, or you can "choose" to not comply, passively or agressively, but there were consequences for those choices. The last thing I ever wanted to do was hurt someone, although I was prepared to if the circumstances dictated that. Meaning, if you decide to "fight" me, I'm doing what I have to to get you under control. That may be empty hands, OC spray, expandable baton, flashlight, etc... We did not have TASERS back in those days, so that was not an option.
The point is, I treated people like I wanted to be treated. And, 99% of the time things went OK.

8. As the days and weeks go by, more facts will be shed on this situation. And, more opinions. I will say this, in today's day and age, I wouldn't want to be in that agents shoes.....

The ice on the road made this a dangerous scenario pointing a vehicle at an officer!

Hard to to realize they have folks so worked up they are willing to get themselves killed over people they don't know and more than likely don't give a crap aboit them.

We’re the same conditions met for the shooting of Ashley Babbit? That person was hailed a hero for shooting an unarmed woman through a barrier.

Just saying.

The Ashley Babbit shooting falls into a completely different category.

Sure is. There's no dispute when you watch that video that she and her fellow rioters got her killed.

Ashley Babbitt was unarmed. The idiot was driving a motor vehicle with ICE officers on foot.

And that idiot driving at an ICE officer didn't do anything contribute to her demise?

Seriously? Good grief how dumb can a person get!!

You seriously need help. Your severe TDS is hampering your ability to think and see clearly and objectively.

HOLY CRAP how dumb!!

Please elaborate your thoughts. What made one a good shoot and the other bad. Or were they both good or both bad?

Do you believe there were also FBI personnel that were part of the active hindrance of the ICE officers?

You can PM me if you don’t want to discuss on an open forum. I hate that we even have to be having conversations like this.

Agree 100%, but maybe not the way you are thinking.

Very thoughtful and insightful post KSP. I encourage everyone to read it over and over. I wish everyone would allow the thorough investigation to be completed. I also do not understand why people think it is OK to be violent or to impede law enforcement.

Watch the video from one of the ICE agents perspective. I think you'll change your mind.

New video just shown on Fox News from the cop’s phone who did the shooting. Sured sounded like he was impacted by the car. What was interesting to me, the “wife” of the woman who was killed was attempting to get in passenger side door when car commenced to move. The wife was left standing in the street. Wonder the so called “husband” didnt drag the wife hanging on to the door handle.

Kind of blows a hole in the theory the deceased lady was just normally driving off. She left her bed mate!

Did you notice the poor dog in the back? I need to know if he/she is okay.

No, I missed that. No dog deserves to live with people like those two women.

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1AcRQgigMp/

Link has the video.

Those muff divers were picking a fight with ICE and got more than they bargained for. And for once I agree with the antis and bunny huggers that poor dog deserved better than to be drug into the middle of that.

TV news said the female dog didn't listen.

So am I hearing 2 shots as he gets hit... and then 1 more? Are those first two bangs shots? Kinda hard to tell.....

The Governor called for a moment of silence today for the unfortunate woman who was killed. Those pretending to be mourning her death are the same ones that radicalized her and encouraged her to engage in the extremely dangerous actions that eventually got her killed. She was merely an expendible pawn for their cause.

It is not ok. The poor animal lived with 2 unattractive man hating lesbians. Poor dog.

Yeah, but did you notice how shooting her prevented her from accelerating down the road where she was headed and saved that ICE agents life. If I'm going to run over an ICE agent, I'm turning my front wheels to the left where the agent is. Maybe Protesters need to work on this?

Really testing my faith today 160. I will not laugh audibly at your comment.

My question is: This happened at 9:30AM. Such a large crowd. Don't any of these people work? Are they all welfare clients or professional protestors brought in like they were with the George Floyd fiasco?

Thanks ksp107. The officer gets a split second to make a decision.

the EXACT same thing could be said about the buffoons on the left vilifying ICE; including the mayor, governor, representatives and mainstream "news" media.

[but you didn't call THEM out!]

If you don't reply to him, he will eventually get the hint and go away

yeah, I just have to call out his oh-so-obvious lack of self-awareness.

hoping against hope that he would someday choose to be intellectually honest.

but I guess that's way too much to expect from a professional obfuscator [read: "liar"]

especially egregious was his comment about the administration not caring about "the Truth"...that, from a lawyer!

Someone claiming to be a red white and blue conservative republican crawling into bed with commies, perverts, and terrorists because orange man bad is not strange at all now is it?

I'm beyond saying some of ours went off the deep end. They are unsalvageable and should be treated the same as the left, destroyed.

Watch the video again and look at the license plate. It appears to be an Ontario plate, not MN. That may have been the reason ICE wanted to talk to them in the first place.

Those folks who said she was “just pulling out”. She had a cop hanging on driver side door, wife was trying to get in the passenger side door, and a cop in front of the car - who she hit. Its a wonder she didnt hurt the cop on the drivers side door - he almost slipped on the ice - and it is a wonder she didnt drag her wife down the road - and she did hit a cop. Total disregard for human life.

Hopefully others watching this will think twice before disobeying orders from Law Enforcement

Good question. Probably welfare bums.

But, I wonder the same about some who sit on TMan all day. Warrior, White Marlin and others. Go do something productive. Contribute to society.

Watch your own bobber.

Don't worry about them working.

Worry about your own cowardice and obvious deflection in your inability to answer any question that makes you a wee bit uncomfortable.

You're always talking about being a man. Well, check your crotch and see if anything is there.

She was probably at work. Question is: is the death covered under Workman's Comp

This woman was a victim.
She was coerced and radicalized by other people with bad intentions to carryout mayhem which they themselves will not do.
These people are preying on weak minded people who are likely to snap, as this woman did, in order to further their misguided cause.
Did these people want her to die for the cause? Probably not. Will these people waste a minute to use something like this to try to justify their cause as in "don't let a disaster go to waste"?
That question is self-answering.

Wonder if it would help if they ALL toned down the rhetoric,,,

Reminds me of the old Chris Rock bit - “I’m not saying he should have killed her, but I understand”

Reports are circulating the she had lost custody of two of the three children due to the wife beating them and using them for an ashtray.

If I resisted police commands drove thru officers I,d be shot and it would not even make local news and it sure wouldn't get a dozen pages on here

Correct

Are you saying people got upset about a 2% tax on imported tea, but love a 40% tax on imported smart phones?

What is your point, lol.

Jeff who?

I would venture with all taxes and fees combined I'm in the 40 percent range.

Thank you for your service.

Near as I can tell “ thank you for your service” in Somalian would be ,,,,,,,, “Mahadsanid adeegyadaada”

2% of currency value then vs today, figure it out!
And the amount of currency available.

609.066

If a story sounds too good to be true, it probably isn't. I'm not seeing this in 609.066?

For your reading pleasure.

It appears this only applies if you have a badge ......a citizen is doomed in the same situation

It also appears the officer knew this in this case as he moved around the front of the car ( standing off to the right , cause he ain't no dummy ) and drawing his weapon before she moved . I believe right at that moment he had already decided he was gonna kill the dumb beezoe ......before she moved . I also don't believe she had any intention of running the officer over or she would have . Easily. Any contact , if any , Between the car and officer was due to the officer leaning in trying to put a bullet on target through the windshield. He missed and decided to put a bullet in her Mellon as she drove by .


He didn't NEED to kill her to protect himself, he did so because he WANTED to....bottom line !



No loss though.......just authoritarian overreach. !



Of course everybody has a different opinion.....lol

Antigov, I believe your bias, a bias that I share, is clouding your judgement here. She, and her partner, were clearly in the wrong and escalated the situation to the point the officer had to defend himself snd others.

Yes, it would be nice if officers stepped aside, ended chases, and generally did not use the most extreme measures but the simple fact is that once the decision to effect an arrest has been made then it is out of the hands of the arrestee and any resistance or force directed towards an officer will be met with greater force.

You sit on the internet all day, eat up fake information, get outraged and make dramatic and wrong proclamations that fit your political beliefs. See your J6 Bomber Total Miss.

Maybe this gal was wrong. Maybe the ICE agent was wrong. You don’t know from Facebook posts and some videos. I don't know either.

Nobody will know until there is an actual investigation and maybe a trial(s) where witnesses and evidence are tested.

Also, it is fascinating how a lot of you guys back THIS federal government in almost every every instance. It's still the federal government. Worse in my opinion but still the feds.