So a local Fresh Mark plant by me got raided yesterday and they hauled out over 100 workers for being illegals. My son said he had to deliver parts to a Case Farms plant that is close to there as well and he said there's hardly anybody there that even speaks English. There are two other Fresh Mark plants close by that are being targeted as well. These illegals are now gonna be separated from their spouses and kids. Whats everyones thoughts? My wife and I argue that its terrible they are getting separated and deported. I say they came here illegally, bought fake ID's, knowingly broke the law and it also opens up over 100 jobs for Americans here? I also told her does she feel bad for the guy that robs a convenience store and goes to jail even though he has 2 (or 20) kids at home that he's being separated from, she says no that's different. Sorry, no its not.

Businesses that knowingly hire illegals should be have all of their assets seized and auctioned off, why do we only/mostly target illegals and not the businesses that employ them? This would end immigration problems nearly immediately.

this! Democrats are to blame for the separation of families. They are the enablers. And when bad situations like this happen, they're going to point the finger at Trump. LOL! If they weren't such a dangerous threat to democracy they would be hilarious.

i dont feel bad for me personally. like said they knew what they were doin and what theyve been doin. apparently all of em never expected anything to happen either. glad to see a bit a change

Seize the business's assets and use them to relocate the families back in their home countries.

Consequences

Build a wall !

Stupid libtard democrats need to quit sending mixed messages

Break the law ..........get busted

we should be harder on the businesses , but for what ever reason don't. one would suspect because many businesses using illegal labor have some pull at the state and federal level.

it should be hard on them now with no labor and lots of work to get done and 3% unemployment.

large portions of our industry has depended on Illegal labor for decades , there does need to be a way for them to get legal labor but you and I know that it is about the bottom line and securing visas costs money and takes time. Hiring legal labor you have to provide a decent wage and follow safety protocols and provide some benefits.

as for separating kids from their families , I have been thinking on that , My wife is also very upset about this , yeah they know just how to tug at their heart strings with these media reports and they are not as desensitized to the media sensationalism.

some questions I had

what did they do 2-3 years ago and how is this different or is it just greater number because of increased enforcement?

one thing my wife said was this includes people who brought their families to the border and asked for asylum. how was that handled 2-3 years ago?

these bussinesses claim that they need them.
I am not so sure they need them it is clear that businesses use these people as labor but they also use them up.

you can't be all about rights if you still treat people as if they are disposable wear them out and let them go no care taken to reduce long term injury just disposable people.

so it is clear that disposable humans make for a lower cost of labor.

We clearly have issues on both sides of this mess.

enforcement is clearly very expensive also.

I think that congress should offer a one year exit amnesty program coupled with a registration period say Jan 1 to DEC 31, 2019 at the same time if they have a company that wants to sponsor them and they register and have no outstanding criminal issues then 5 year visa should be awarded with the requirement that the company post a 10k bond for that person after all they were here illegally and should they break the terms of the visa the bond will help with their capture in an immigration warrant either they are invaluable to you as an employer or they are not a bond helps with the fact that you were hiring them illegally and they were here illegally . nothing goes so smooth as people doing something voluntarily even if you had to set conditions so that they would want to volunteer.

I agree, however I am not sure they know if they have the proper (albiet fake) paperwork. I think companies can play dumb?

I think you all have summed it up.

I feel for the kids but their parents put them into the situation with the dems support.

Businesses should be held accountable for aiding to the situation. Think of the profit they made and will most likely get no repercussions.

No sympathy from me!

There should be no separation of these families. Send them back, altogether.

Most illegal, Hispanic workers are men, who if they even have families, leave their families, back in their home countries. They mostly live in crowded rental houses, full of other illegal alien men. They send much of the money they make back to their home countries.

The media is promoting the tremendous lie that it is mostly families being caught entering the US. It's mostly single men and older teenage boys, invading our country to find work.

Keith

Historically, criminals have been separated from their families. That's the way it is.

The USA has gotten soft and women have too much to say. Too many liberals who want America to go down the tubes....

I believe this will all hit a head sooner than later. It could get mighty ugly.

It's ALREADY Been Ugly For A Long Time, Martin !!!

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The key word is "knowingly"... you need to prove that the business KNEW that the person had fake documents, and then still hired them anyhow....

If they have a SS#, a state ID that match, then what? I am unaware of a database that a company can use to search and see if the ss# matches the name. so when they type it in, Jesus Espenoza's SS# doesn't match Doris McGinny that the ss# belongs to....


Perhaps that would be the solution.....everytime anyone gets a job, they get a background check like a 4473, to make sure everything matches...
But, thats just more government.... and we all know what more government creates......Problems....

and calls to seize the business and assets? what is this, Venezuela?
and you'd be in favor of putting all the Americans working there out of jobs, because the company unknowingly hired 20 illegals to pluck chicken feathers?

The SSA provides a verification service.

No really, conservatives did not get ugly thru 8 years of bo. They did nothing like what the libs are doing now and it will escalate daily. Its more OK to berate a white man than a black man. That's the new equality.

The packing plants here always got a heads up the day before on the raids the places were about 1/2 empty on raid day! Someone was getting a fat envelope someplace!

If a American breaks the law they go to jail separated from there family right. why should anybody else be treated differently. so now the laws are changing im getting confused. so now they come and as long as they breed they wont be deported is this what im understanding?

For days all we saw on the news was everyone from both parties demanding that Trump change this policy. So Trump changed the policy. Now all we see on the news is criticism of Trump for flip-flopping and reversing policy.

This is Bull, I have one employee and if I screw up my with-holding by one penny, I will get a hundred dollar fine and have to spend hours on the phone with some IRS mouth piece trying to resolve it. I don't believe we should seize companies but atleast make them sit on hold for hours and then talk to some irs employee who could give a *&^% about their problem.

I stand by what I said, companies that knowingly hire illegals should be seized! If you hire illegals you are contributing to wage stagnation and unemployment, you are betraying your own people for a few shekels of profit. Look at the dairy industry, it is dyeing right in front of us as small family farms fold one after another and creameries have to send suicide prevention material out with milk checks, yet HUGE corporate dairies are still being built and expanded, these corporate dairies are relying on immigrant labor to cut the throats of the family farm with. Seize and auction off any business CHEATING the system and hiring illegals.

Through our taxes we have to fund illegal immigrants education, healthcare, border enforcement, we have to deal with the criminal element that comes in unchecked, we have wage stagnation even with our low unemployment, as legal U.S citizens we deal with all of this so a few can profit off of illegal labor, its is time to end this nonsense and go after the businesses that are profiting at the expense of hard working legal tax paying citizens.

NBC is a joke what a one sided tell the story how they want you to think and believe. Even in pictures they show shows what they want you people to see so that you are haters of one of the republican party.

I hope all this hate they show comes back and things even out.

Right is Right and Wrong is Wrong! Come here illegally Get deported!!!!!!!

Exactly Right!!

X2!!!

We have a number of 400 to 1200 cow dairies in my area and most of them use Mexican labor, supposedly they are all legal. Not sure how a farmer can verify status and I don't think they try very hard. They get housing and make good money but they work alot of hours.

I've said it for years. Fine a business that uses illegals $10,000 per illegal and ENFORCE IT! No company would hire them. The jobs for illegals would dry up and that would greatly reduce the problem. It is not hard to come to the United States to work legally as long as you are not a criminal with a record. You can apply for a work visa and legally work here. There is no excuse. CASE CLOSED

Work visas are more difficult to obtain and have a time limit, much easier just to sneak across.

America, love it or LEAVE it!
Dennis

I hear that a lot, but it's always from people that refuse to admit that the US has a lot of problems. It seems that anyone who mentions US militarism, the police state, the poor education, or any of the numerous other issues we have is told to shut up and wave the flag.
Personally I'd like to see us work towards more freedom, but from what I see on this thread love of big daddy government and the police state has been mistaken for patriotism.

I've been told this and i'll pass it along.
Life is great here if your strong.

The Media has never been one to let the facts get ion the way of a good story!

There are MILLIONS of non businesses ( individuals , many anti immigration ) who hire illegals to perform all kinds of tasks and projects so they can save a buck . These hypocrites talk out both sides of their mouth.

no way to run this issue down

Build a wall , mount some guns

Funny how the sound of gun fire is the same in all languages and an effective deterant to all but the deaf

They aren't even interested in a story anymore, its simply "here is what we want you to believe."

Oh great! Now you want us to be over run by deaf aliens

The reason the illegal aliens keep invading the US is that rewards outweigh the risk of being caught. To stop illegals from coming here, the consequences of coming here illegally need to be more severe, employers need to be severely punished for hiring illegals, nothing good or of value should be given to illegals, organizations that give support to illegals need to be severely punished. This would stop illegal immigration and probably will never happen because of the money and emotion involved.

The only other option is to build a physical barrier, like a wall.

Keith

There are other options, most would prefer to avoid,but we cant seem to land the coin on edge.
We've been seeing this since Reagan's amnesty!
When will anything be done!

Trump's Great Wall won't work, and will waste a trillion dollars before it's built. I hope the wall is never funded, but if it is, just wait and see how high the tab will be.

Many of these illegals are fleeing horrific conditions at home, according to reports. The punishment would have to be extreme for it to deter them. I doubt the US would sink to that level. The Godwin Principle would go out the window.

All we can do is detain them humanely and deport them, as fast as we catch them.

Jim

Put em in a chain gang for one year for immigrating illegally.

Do not want to work?.....then no food.

All we can do is detain them humanely and deport them, as fast as we catch them.

And if we can't do that?..

Yep..Just read the US is going to start opening military reservations to house them like up to 20,000. Looks like the US is going to be in the migrant camp business. Even read another article that the migrants just wait for the border patrol to pick them up.

Cut welfare and the wall could easily be paid for

We have nothing to lose

That's better than catch and release....but it is not ideal. We could run busloads of them up north and give em a choice of one year forced labor or walk across the border into trudland.

And use them to build the wall.

Yep..Just read that the children that are separated from families are at an estimated cost above $700.00 per nite. However the family unit is around $400.00 per nite.

700 and 400? Sounds very lucretive to me. Id think 30-40 would do it.

Yep..What I was reading was all the costs involved. Medical/Dental/Lodging/Logistics/Legal Fees/Meals ..And whatever other costs not mentioned. I'm sure that whatever business is involved also includes their bottom line of profit margin. It's a new frontier with millions to be made.

kind of makes you wonder how Hitler would of handled it lol

I'm sure none of you supporters of this would have any trouble recieving a half dozen of the 10,000 unoccompanied minors they are holding. do us a favor and get some.

The government just busted a place here in Michigan that was producing fake Id's.

Drivers licenses, Social Security cards and birth certificates.

Send them all back to their homeland.

Just seen a news clip of a child that has been shown on TV and the internet a billion times. She is crying and of course the story is about the kids being separated. Well that child's mother is 3 away from her but of course the press shows and tells us what they want us to see and hear. The kid was crying and walking around lost and her mother was right there. These kids most likely are treated better being separated from their parents then being with them at least for some any way.

It would make a lot less area to have to guard. With sensors we can tell if they are tunneling under ask Israel or the Vatican.

this

The people who say a wall will not work do not want a wall or any checks on illegal immigration.

True. There is no doubt in any normal thinking person's mind, that a wall will stop most illegal immigration through the Mexican border.

Keith

I agree!

the libs have 28 months to get as many illegals as possible into 31 states so they can change the result of the electoral college to one that is favorable to them. That is exactly what their goal is.

We had a wall to be built that was agreed upon during the Reagan administration. Later the Dumbocrats refused to fund it. $113 BILLION a year we are paying for the Illegal aliens EVERY year with what looks to be a lot more this year.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/02/immigration-costs-fair-amnesty-educations-costs-reform.html

The democrats leadership is not dumb, they are devious. They know full well that they are harming poor Americans, by enabling and supporting illegal immigration. They will just farm the illegals for votes, like the rest of the gullible they manipulate now.

Keith

Why, thank you for the compliment.

Jim

A border wall WILL work if it is built right. Make it hard enough to by pass it they will have to find another way. Cost for that would be prohibitive without a lot of backing. Sensors could be built into the wall for digging. Digging a tunnel under in sand or through rock isn't going to be cheap and easy like a fence that stops at ground level.

You're welcome James. You're also still welcome to come shoot some deer here, if you're in Ohio during deer season.

Keith

if it’s the same quality housing we live in then it sounds like a pretty good punishment to me

If they don't like the policy that the United States has for being here illegally. They could alway keep their sorry arses back in there own country to avoid any hardship on their families. The choice is their's not ours. Play by the rules and you will not get burned, it's that simple. I don't feel sorry for them at all.

Thanks for your kind offer, Keith.

We will have to disagree on the wall though. I think I'll be proved right, mainly because it will take longer than Trump's term (or terms, if you are a true believer) just to get rights to the property underlying the wall.

https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/why-wall-wont-work

Jim

With it costing us $113 BILLION a year we would be ahead to build it. The Whole article was full of if, maybe and buts. If fences and walls didn't work why is that the main security for prisons? They also do that in the big city with gated communities. As far as can't see past them between satellites and drones they could tell a lot more. When they can read a license plate using a satellite I am sure they can see a backhoe or dozer. To tunnel under they would have to support the over burden and the trucks bringing that in will leave tracks.

Any system used can be defeated or even sabotaged to look like it is worthless.If used in conjunction with making it less attractive to employers and landlords it would help a lot. Terrorists is another reason this is needed.

We tried the trust the Democrats back during the Reagan days with the Simpson/ Mazzoli act. They quit funding it.

https://www.usatoday.com/border-wall/

In Texas, any new wall would have to be built some distance from the border, because the line itself runs down the middle of the Rio Grande. To gauge the possible impact, the USA TODAY NETWORK used the state's open-records law to obtain digital property maps from all 13 Texas counties with border frontage. (A 14th county touches the border only at one point, accounting for a single parcel.)

All told, a network analysis shows, about 4,900 parcels of property sit within 500 feet of the border in Texas.

Most Texas land is privately owned, a fact that could complicate and delay efforts to build a wall in a state that reveres private-property rights.

There is no public map of exactly where, or for how far, a future border wall would run. Some of the wall would surely be on land already owned by the federal government, such as levees. But the 4,900-parcel swath gives a sense of the massive land seizure and cost that the federal government could face.

Is such a seizure feasible? After the 2006 Secure Fence Act, federal officials pursued private land in Texas for the current border fences. More than 300 condemnation cases were brought against landowners, according to data compiled by the network.

Some cases were settled for as little as a $100 easement. In one, the U.S. paid $5 million for 6 acres. Many, though, have yet to be settled.

As of summer 2017, nine years after the first cases were filed, 85 of the more than 300 cases were still in litigation. Some landowners died fighting their cases through the system.

Because taking property for a wall would be the region's second round of condemnation, people will be ready to fight for just compensation, says Terence M. Garrett, chair of the Public Affairs and Security Studies Department at the University of Texas Rio Grande Valley. Based on last time, he predicts, about 20 percent of people will accept what the government offers; 80 percent will not.

"Here we are in a decade and the judge still has eminent-domain cases pending in his court," Garrett says. "It's really a thicket, if you will, of all kinds of legal problems. We are looking at years, decades, of court cases."

I saw eminent-domain in action for building a highway in Missouri. They came through and within a few years took EVERYTHING they wanted to include historical building that were privately owned. With the last supreme court decision about seizure there is no real protection of private land.

Another reason not to build a wall is that a wall won't stop anyone unless it's guarded. How many guards would we need for a 2,000-mile border wall? How much is that going to cost?

Jim

LOL a 30 foot wall will stop a lot of folks. Not many running around with a 30 foot ladder on their back. Closed circuit monitors can help cover as well. Infrared sensors help as well. Looking to offset the $113 Billion a year we can put a bunch of guards on it as well and still be ahead. We can patch the hole in our boat now and start bailing or later when it will cost even more and take longer to clean the mess up or wait until it is too late.

I still the think it would be more productive to aggressively prosecute employers of illegals. If someone employs an illegal unknowingly they should have checked and known. Wont impede gangsters and other dope fiends but border patrol would have more time to hunt them.

Did you ever see the old Berlin wall Pete? It did pretty much stop illegal border crossing. For about 30 years, then was tore down. Wonder what tearing down cost?

I doubt any body will be shot for breeching Trumps wall so I don't think it will work as good as the Berlin wall did.

What happened to balance the budget tea partiers???????????????

They served their purpose during Obamas first term and then cast to the side like a dirty rag.

Anyone know the answer to this ?

They separate the kids from their Parents. The Parents get kicked out of the Country, while at the same time; the Government is "Housing" those kids. Since the Parents are now out of the Country, how are they supposed to return the kids to the Parents AND if they cannot FIND the Parents after they were booted back to their own Country; what is the Government supposed to do with all those kids ?

Hey we will be totally broke, but we'll have a wall. 30 foot wall, LMBO. A 30 foot wall ain't even going to slow them down.

They will just dig a tunnel on the Mexico side , tunnel under the Rio Grande ; and tunnel out through the woods on the U.S. side.

Is easy to advocate for open borders when your sitting up there in Alaska .

I take it you've never spent much time in a s hole city overrun with illegals

You keep beating the " prosecute employers " drum.

What about all the non business people ( millions ) who hire illegals for odd jobs around the house ?

Should you be prosecuted if you buy a taco on the street corner ?

There are millions of illegals running their own business or working for individuals . Not businesses

Their networking capabilities are unbelievable including full infiltration into all social services agencies.

All you " no wallers " haven't offered up anything to combat illegal immigration

Either you don't care about the nasty consequences and enormous costs associated or you are just simply clueless

The libs just are doing this to take away from the positive results Trump is having on the economy the korean deal ... They could care less about the kids . Think about it , the majority of them are pro abortion . Kinda strange to think they would care about the life of a child .

I have twice. End the drug war and government administered welfare.

Also, by making government smaller it is less able to hand out freebies, favors and goodies to voters, potential voters and other people present. Neither current major political party has ANY intention of making government irrelevant enough to take away its potential to hand out these things BECAUSE by doing so would take away the POWER that these parties believe belongs rightfully to them.

I agree Fly . That would help immensely

We still need a wall though

Walls around prisons are 99.9 % effective

You see no irony in that last sentence? Equating the beacon of freedom in a world of dung (the United States) to a prison that needs walls?

The states will become as corrupt as DC or worse.
Then who will you complain about.
The no wallers need to send their address to the border. You can feed cloth house pay med bills legal bills and anything else they think they deserve.
About 50 to a acre should be about right to house them.
Start sending those addresses

I don't need to go to Mexico

I'm sure if we have an effective wall to keep the unwanted out you'll still be able to go if you want

The United States is not a prison and a wall to keep it a wonderful place is a must

X2

Yes, and prison walls are meant to keep the masses of good people from going in there and muttering about where they arent supposed to.

Thru the history of mankind walls have been one of the most effective things done to keep unwanted people out of an area.

Anyone who says a wall will not work thinks they are talking to morons or is one stupid sob.

Yep.

As long as we keep subsidizing illegals with rent, food, and medical they will keep taking the risk to come here. End all the freebies and they'll either not come because it's economically infeasible or they'll have to demand a living wage that will force them to compete with folks here.

And the drug cartels have the resources to find a way around the wall... They can hire 100 local men at $20 US a day to dig under the wall... And they'll have a line of people around the block waiting for their chance to get some of that money. They won't care if it costs $50,000 to get it done. They're looking at it as a business expense associated with moving millions of dollars worth of product.

Financial incentives are unstoppable. If you eliminate or mitigate the incentives the problem will take care of itself.

It's Prohibition all over again. Just different products (people/dope) at the center of the fight.

Mike

I don't consider myself to be anti wall in regards to stem the tide of illegal immigrants, I do believe there are these things I have talked about that would be much much much more effective. These things are obviously not politically palatable, as it is uncomfortable to realize that the political group you align yourself with has no intention of A)making government smaller B)ending the drug war.

As far as ending the welfare state, Dr. Thomas Sowell has recently written a book I am currently reading that discusses it in depth. The main point is that humans seem incapable of judging the OUTCOME of policies and only look at the intentions. The intentions of providing a great society and care for our brother citizen thru welfare were right and good. The results of these government programs have been around long enough to study and look at the results. The results are dismal, TO OUR OWN CITIZENS, let alone those who arrive here without permission. Here is a 45 MINUTE youtube interview with Thomas Sowell, if you are interested in the subject please watch it.

Neither does your political group, so you can come down off your high horse now. You know i can post your guys saying they want to ADD people to enforce their grand ideas.

(and i've already posted them before but you over-look them) It's easy to put words on your platform, but a whole other world once ya get elected, or even get asked real questions when your a candidate. Then reality sets in.

Ending welfare for all would be a great thing for the U.S. We shouldn't allow illegals to attend public school either.

Too many bleed'n hearts Danny. Just look how many came outta the woodwork when they just seperated them for a couple days.

How do they verify they are returning the children to their actual parents?

How do they verify the kids came with their actual parents?

Didn't take long for the anti wall folks to show up. I agree as anyone that can think knows a wall alone won't stop them for long. Many other things can HELP as well. Anything man made can be defeated or undone by the next elected.

Anyone saying they will just tunnel under hasn't worked in a mine or educated themselves on what it would take to build a tunnel that could handle the traffic load. It wouldn't be in operation long before it was discovered and shut down. How many tunnels have you heard of going under the great wall of china or for that matter the Berlin wall?

If the cartels construct a tunnel they will not be bring illegal immigrants thru it...anyone who thinks they will is not too bright. Plenty of those folks around..

The cartels already have tunnels constructed under what border us already fenced, so you are wrong Marty.
These cartels aren't drug addicted fools. They are in control of a very profitable black market. Once the wall is up, the risk and price of human smuggling will rise to the point where more cartels will become involved in it than are now. If a wall is needed, fine; but don't be blinded by the simple solution. It seems doing the uncomfortable things is off the table politically. End the welfare state and end the drug war.

Constant traffic thru a tunnel means it gets detected easily...so, your wrong.

But that's not surprising.

Note that I said anyone who thinks the cartels will smuggle illegal immigrants thru tunnels is not too bright.....

So you admit it will make a difference. Increased human activity will make detection easier. With less area to have to keep watch over the hot spots can be covered better. Add to that legislation to make it less profitable as in employer requirements to verify status along with fines.There is no one thing that can cure it all.

It is odd that one would surmise human activity would be noticed on a line streching from California to Texas using high technology, yet the placement of Improvised explosive devices on main supply routes in an area inundated with military in Afghanistan could not be stopped when lives and limbs were/are on the line.

That's what they're trying to tell ya. Get the activity concentrated like militery to a supply route and they knew right where to place the IED'S. We'll be able to locate them easier when they are forced to a certain route.

Placement of an IED is a whole lot less traffic to detect then a caravan of Illegal aliens. You are grasping at straws with that.

https://www.aclu.org/blog/immigrants-rig...lling-people-us

Yep..Here it is right here. This is only 3 day old news..

I would be willing to bet they get as good FREE health care as felons in state prisons. Maybe if that aint good enough they could volunteer to go back to Mexico without a hearing and get quality health care from a brujo

As per usual.....

What happened to the promise to get Mexico to pay for the wall?

Jim

What happened to 'Trump will never be president'?

Be calm James and watch how a deal is made.
The trade deal that is.
#MAGA

Keep Calm and Trump Them.....

Trump should know you have to get the financing before starting construction.

Admit it. He's relying on the US Treasury to pay for his monument.

Jim