Trump has publicly called for eliminating the debt ceiling so the government can borrow money without pause. The big beautiful bill will add 6 trillion to our debt. Where would this put us in three years with the higher interest rates? Will we ever have a government that actually pays down on principal? (Clinton was the last to do so) It's obvious the golden citizenship ticket didn't deliver as promised lol

I couldn’t find where it would eliminate the debt ceiling just where musk stated it would raise the ceiling.

I’m against that and all new spending and most existing spending by the government.

Never knew there was a spending limit????

Government spends money like it is plentiful as grains of sand

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Clinton didn't balance the budget if you have followed history. What he did was have one of the highest budgets of the time and at the end we spent less then what his budget was. So, he claimed he balanced the budget which was a twisted fabrication. That is how he got the name SLICK WILLIE!

He also raised taxes for you and I and was the blame for the housing and bank bust a few years after he left office. Took away laws for low income people to have them buy homes. There was a 70% default from those people that caused a disaster for banks and the economy. He made him look good while in office but is was all smoke and no substance to his time in office.

Easy to say you balance the budget when it was crazy high and new he would spend less to have that fabricated lie.

More amd more, gold is looking better.

Im not sure people realize how much money got turned off from going out... they suspect those savings to pay for all the debt or be a very large portion of it... to the point where they hope to eliminate income tax for a range of household incomes. At one point that was anyone making less that $150,000 but I think the bill that got approved took that to $60k or something.

Doge literally found at least four computers just printing checks going out from the govt that didn't need the reason for request to be filled out. Literally just checks rolling out with no explanation.

I like to think that there is so much to scale that by not doing that anymore pays for a lot of our own things.

Its unclear how much of that is real or not but I sure don't see it being covered on the news but they absolutely announced finding those four stations just printing checks... which does nothing but drive up inflation.

Not doing that anymore should bring inflation down right and also reduce our overall national debt?

People should be asking themselves if they are saving the government so much money why are they needing to borrow more money than ever then use a little common sense

Why not ask all the millionaire members of Congress how we can save money? They seem to have a system figured out on how to line their pockets and make money.

Common sense tells me their ability to make money and the debt ceiling are somehow connected

Congress is doing such a good job, they should vote themselves in another well deserved raise !

Truth

sounds like you are in favor of taking a meat cleaver to the budget? welfare, social security, farm subsidies, foreign aid...

I'm sure you voted for such cuts...

Here's a good diagram of the savings from DOGE. While any spending cut is a good thing, DOGE cuts amount to a drop in the bucket compared to what gets spent every year.

As far as wanting a fiscally responsible budget, everyone knows that only matters when you're not the party in power. Excessive spending is just a thing to criticize the other team for, it's not something to actually be dealt with when your team is the one doing the spending.

So much for reducing the deficet with flim flam. Who voted for flim flam again?

Can’t borrow your way out of debt.

I did, and proud of it.

Didn't hear all ya whiners when the dems passed a 1.2 Trillion dollar bill that got us a whole 8 electric car chargers while nothing went to important stuff like the air traffic control I that they are now wanting money for, along with inflation thru the roof.

Let the plan play out,

no, but you can GROW your way out of it if you stop stupid spending.

we didn't get into this mess overnight...it will take some time to fix it.

How is the DOGE plan going to play out?

Bassent knows they can't cut spending enough, so his plan is to try and outgrow it. Its a gamble, but probably the only way that keeps the USA from defaulting/collapsing. It is a difficult proposition, especially when you only have support from about 40% of the country as a result of partisan politics. You don't have to cheer for Trump, but at least cheer for the USA. IE. be optimistic.

ol' dad

Not well when you have activist judges and the entire (100%) democratic party in opposition to it.

ol' dad

and 95 percent of the republicans, too.

Gold has looked good for some time

Bingo

They go to close an agency, judge says no.

They try to trim the workforce, judge says no.

They can't take a deal without courts stopping them.

Well, DOGE failed because Congress approved the spending and their 2 trillion goal was ludicrously impossible
P.S. I believe DOGE has not removed all the court blocks from total savings of 175 billion.

name one democrat who would agree to real cuts in the pending omnibus spending bill..

I'll wait...

Every time I see the trapperman Trump haters start whining the more I know he's the right man for the job.

Fortunately we have a conservative President who will veto the bill.

X1000

Spot on assessment

I did i like film flam

he TRIED to cut spending, but he doesn't control Congress.

YOUR Senator isn't helping...what have you done to get her fired? Perhaps you ran against her in the Primary...

It is definately entertaining

You guys are funny.

If everything was easy and went perfect...many of yall would fall over dead from confusion and boredom.

If that's all you can say to defend him you already lost the argument. Ask yourself... if Biden had said he wants to eliminate debt ceiling so theirs nothing stopping him from borrowing trillions what would you say...???? You'd be apoplectic. I don't hate Trump but I'm not stupid enough to defend poor decisions like you tried and failed to do

He's doing a lot and fast. The media won't report on the positives though, so the haters have no clue as they only get their information from mainstream media.

What about the 160 billion he discovered (doge) of fraud and waste? Getting the border more secure? Why don't you Google search his 2025 accomplishments for yourself instead of listening to the news. He's done lot of good in a short period of time. Look it up. It'll take you less than one minute.

We may be in a situation where slowing debt may be hard and thinking about lowering and eliminating our debt maybe generations away. One of the things we need to consider if and while we are accumulating debt is that about 35-36% of our total GDP comes from government spending. Debt that contributes to our economy and total GDP is not nearly as burdonsome as debt that is created and does not create jobs, growth or wealth in the private sector. Having a society and politicians that have better understandings of that concept may be in short supply.

Bryce

Bryce,

Is there a statistic somewhere on how much $ the US Government makes off of selling weapons annually?

Probably not, it’s mostly under the table or gets deposited directly into said politicians offshore accounts. All allegedly of course.

x3
I must have memory issues b/c I can't remember any of these "suddenly fiscally responsible red blooded American patriots" saying one word while Biden was in office. All I hear is their current whining with no solutions offered.

Are we to infer that the solution would have been to elect Harris? Every possible position these TDS jokers can take is laughable.

x3
I must have memory issues b/c I can't remember any of these "suddenly fiscally responsible red blooded American patriots" saying one word while Biden was in office. All I hear is their current whining with no solutions offered.

Are we to infer that the solution would have been to elect Harris? Every possible position these TDS jokers can take is laughable.
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No one said Harris would be better. Are we to infer that you favor raising the national debt? Perhaps a smart person would be learning that of the two candidates last election NEITHER is the right person to right the country

It'll never happen. If our debt goes away, so does the dollar as the world's strongest currency. We lost when we went off gold and we lost when we went to a central banking system. Every fiat currency in history has failed. Ours is no different. It hasn't fail yet, but it will. When is the question.

In your opinion, was there ever a right person to right the Country? Which President or presidential candidate was that?

The link below show what the US makes in arms sales to other nations. Don't know if that is the total or if there are other arms that are part of barter or trade systems or other means.

AI Overview
The US government makes a significant amount of revenue from selling weapons to other nations. A three-year rolling average for fiscal years 2022-2024 shows $83.6 billion in transferred defense articles and services through the Foreign Military Sales system. In fiscal year 2023 alone, the US did over $80 billion in business through this system, including grant assistance.
Here's a more detailed breakdown:
Foreign Military Sales (FMS):
This is a system where the US government manages the sale of defense equipment to foreign allies and partners. The Department of State's Office of Regional Security and Arms Transfers, in close partnership with the Department of Defense's Defense Security Cooperation Agency, manages the FMS approval process.
Direct Commercial Sales:
Foreign governments can also purchase arms directly from US companies, which also requires US government approval.
Record Highs:
In fiscal year 2023, the US saw record-high arms exports, with sales through the government reaching $80.9 billion and direct commercial sales reaching $157.5 billion, according to Reuters.
Increasing Demand:
The war in Ukraine has increased demand for US weapons, leading to a record $238 billion in total arms sales overseas in 2023, according to the BBC.
Fiscal Year 2024 U.S. Arms Transfers and Defense Trade
Jan 24, 2025 — The three-year rolling average value for transferred defense articles and services and security cooperation activities...

State Department
US weapons sales abroad hit record high in 2023, boosted by ...
Jan 29, 2024 — US weapons sales abroad hit record high in 2023, boosted by Ukraine war. US weapons sales overseas rose sharply last y...

BBC

DOD Has Seen 'Huge' Increase in Military Sales Since ...
Apr 9, 2024 — Included in that figure is about $24 billion in sales in Europe. ... In fiscal year 2023, the U.S. did more than $80 bi...

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Bryce

how many votes did your preferred candidate get?

Good questions WM & Lug Nut.
Signed,

Not a smart guy

Did Trump really say it or is it a she said he said deal as usual

I figured pafoxman wouldn't answer Leftlane or me, so I looked up the results...

coming in at #3: Jill Stein...862, 049 votes
coming in at #4: Bobby Kennedy (who withdrew from the race)...756,393 votes
coming in at #5: Chase Oliver...650,126 votes

all three in the 0.5 percent range.

looks like yours is a very small minority position.

Your point? It does nothing to disprove that neither candidate (and all minority candidates) was a good option.

Cut every budget 10% and let the agency figure out how to deal with it Elon Musk and Taco have no idea of what is going on and now the Bro marriage is over still waiting for the Epstein files but it will be like waiting for the wall. Sad when some of congress that voted for the big beautiful bill now say they didn't know what was in it.

Yup. Elon says Trump is listed in the Epstein files. The bromance has crashed and burned. If you didn't see this coming a mile away I have a bridge I'll sell ya

does Elon have access to FBI files?

Comey did (no Friend of Trump)...he never made such claims; and he wasn't adverse to making stuff up (Russian hoax, pee-gate...)

I wonder why he never mentioned Epstein...

What kind of economy requires constant government borrowing stimulus to achieve growth? Not
Keynes.

a better question is 'what is YOUR point?"

if they (good, better, best "Candidate") isn't running, or doesn't get any votes to speak of; yours is a moot point of the highest order.

Funny how they're always ashamed to admit who they voted for.

Goes to show that deep down they know Trump was the better one.

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a better question is 'what is YOUR point?"

if they (good, better, best "Candidate") isn't running, or doesn't get any votes to speak of; yours is a moot point of the highest order.
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Really?? So, using your logic, even if I think both candidates are unqualified, I need to pick one, never criticize anything they do, support them in every way. Nope, sorry. I can think for myself, I'm not a sheep like you are

yep!

and they just like to yip and nip at Trump's heels to show us all just how "enlightened" they are...

This thread was never about who's better... candidate A vs B. But your response is telling. I guess deep down you know it's a terrible idea to eliminate answering to American people to extend debt. You just can't bring yourself to criticize anything your hero has done

Debt ceiling should be gone, both sides use it for ransom to get even more spending.

Wow ok. So I assume if Nancy Pelosi had volunteered that idea of eliminating it you would support it just as enthusiasticly...

You know what I said is right, why you still arguing about it?

pafoxman, tell it to those who are fighting him tooth and nail...I'd bet money that if he thought he could get a 25 percent cut in EVERY sector of government through Congress, he'd sign it.

but wishing on one hand and crapping on the other doesn't get you very far, does it?

your gripe lies with those who will NEVER decrease spending...read: "Every Democrat (and most Republicans)"

Good Luck to you, Mr. Quixote!

Yip! Yip! Grrrrrrrr.......

It's not right and I'm not arguing. Just calling out blatant hypocrisy. I guess you'd give your 14 year old a credit card with no spending limit than. Ok, you do you

So you think the next limit slows down their spending?

Bless yer heart

Name me one time you heard a politician say.....

We can't do that, it'll put us over the debt ceiling.

I'll name a lot of times the ceiling was reached and spending had to stop until an agreement was reached. Did it ultimately stop the bleed? No. But it did bring the nations attention to the issue with the threat of lots of people missing a paycheck. Is that not better than zero accountability? Of course it is.

All it did was got the ones that happen to be in power to agree to more spending from the side withholding their votes to raise it. Plain and simple

Have a good night,

Wrong.
It was because the budget didn't pass
Had nothing to do with reaching the deat ceiling

The deat ceiling has been reached many different times and it never shut down the government

you're deranged.

I PROUDLY voted for President Trump. and I did one better...as a TrumpForce47 Captain, I knocked on doors to get out the vote for him.

what did YOU do for your (as yet un-named) Candidate of choice?

oh, yeah...yip, yip, yip!

Wetdog, first rule of correcting someone is be right. The government cannot borrow any more money once ceiling is reached. Of course SS payments etc don't stop. This thread is about our national debt btw.

are you saying the debt limit stopped CONGRESS from spending more every year?????

let's not forget that CONGRESS (NOT the President!) does the spending.

That's not entirely true, they are all in it together. The president has the power of the veto.

This bill sucks

of COURSE it sucks.

it just sucks less than the alternative.

a GOOD bill would slash stupid pet projects and fully fund essential, common sense government functions.

what are the chances of such a bill passing Congress?

Trump is a pragmatist...if something is impossible under the current conditions, he's not going to waste time/effort giving it lip service.

I'd love to see pafoxman's rant about the debt ceiling during previous administrations...

This is why we can't have nice stuff!

The guy who let's MSNBC tell him when to be mad, CNN tell him Trump is a criminal, and hosts on The View that our nation is suddenly in peril calls other people sheep.

That just made my day!

If I'm wrong, give me the year it happened
I won't hold my breath waiting on your reply

Pocahontas (Elizabeth Warren) has been pushing hard for the elimination of the debt ceiling for many years. Does that fact change your opinion of the idea?

look up the term "Straw Man Argument"...your post fits the definition PERFECTLY!

it's a disingenuous technique used by the simple-minded; and it won't fly here.

This thread reminds me of putting Ant Gel out..

more like a possum (me) coming into the garbage heap put out by pafoxman.

Wrong! It is Big and Beautiful.

I like tax cuts and booting able bodied childless from Medicaid and snap unless they at least get a part time job.

CBO claims it'll add 2.4 trillion to the deficit over ten years. I can't argue that as my crystal ball doesn't go that far past tomorrow. DOGE needs to find another 60 billion in cuts and it'll be a wash.

I'm in favor of tax cuts as long as their is equal spending cuts

We have moved on to tax credits, since about half of the population pays no income tax. Good way to hide welfare payments. Take them off the revenue side of the balance sheet.

The US has been in debt since its inception. Only President Jackson was able to retire all of the debt and that time frame was short lived. Since 1940 we have averaged 67% debt to GDP with a low of 31% in 1981 and a high of 126% in 2020. Learning how to manage debt and ceate growth and wealth to me seems to be the most viable option.

Bryce