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FURHARVESTERS #7235080
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Is the sale still on for April and the April pickups?

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7235099
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Originally Posted by ponyboy
Is the sale still on for April and the April pickups?


Call your pickup agent. Northern Pa picked up Saturday.


April is autism awareness month. Nearly 1 in every 100 children are born with an autism spectrum disorder.. 1 in 100. Stop and think about it...please
Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7235111
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I had my fur picked up on the last Sunday of March, western Pa.

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7235120
04/04/21 06:23 PM
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But your fur being picked up now is for the July sale. The last receiving date for the April sale was in January.


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7235157
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Talked to my agent on Friday, 04/01/21, He told me as far as he knew the April sale was still on for the 16 -19 of April. Was not sure what kind of a sale it would be. Some people could get into the sale, but out side country buyers might have to guarantee for 14 days ahead of the sale.

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7235169
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My agent is saying that generally there is a positive buzz on the April sale. We'll see. And of course all the private treaty between September and April will be accounted for after this sale. I hear that it was fairly active in the PT realm.


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7235206
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Check their web page, new sale dates have been announced.
internut auction
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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7235221
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Anyone know how they are structured?

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7235222
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I checked the page and its the same as it has been for quite some time.


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: beaverpeeler] #7235223
04/04/21 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
My agent is saying that generally there is a positive buzz on the April sale. We'll see. And of course all the private treaty between September and April will be accounted for after this sale. I hear that it was fairly active in the PT realm.

Why would they bid on anything when they know they can buy at below asking price in PT room cool


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: red mt] #7235230
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Originally Posted by red mt
Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
My agent is saying that generally there is a positive buzz on the April sale. We'll see. And of course all the private treaty between September and April will be accounted for after this sale. I hear that it was fairly active in the PT realm.

Why would they bid on anything when they know they can buy at below asking price in PT room cool


They won't and this will be a bust. No need for an auction anymore. Just buy it in the fire room. They already gave all the good stuff away last December of mine. I hope they enjoyed it because they won't get any more from me. LLL


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: beaverpeeler] #7235399
04/05/21 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
I checked the page and its the same as it has been for quite some time.


Look at the page with the BC pick-up closure they post NEW AUCTION DATES
their main page is not changed

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: Northof50] #7235432
04/05/21 08:34 AM
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Where are you seeing the internet auction info?


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: red mt] #7235453
04/05/21 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by red mt
Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
My agent is saying that generally there is a positive buzz on the April sale. We'll see. And of course all the private treaty between September and April will be accounted for after this sale. I hear that it was fairly active in the PT realm.

Why would they bid on anything when they know they can buy at below asking price in PT room cool


I wonder how much fha pt fur grony will have on his sale? Any guesses?

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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7235515
04/05/21 10:52 AM
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On line bidding to commence April 15th and articles closing April 17-19 with the particulars available to registered buyers.

The normal late June sale is now early July. That is what I am seeing on the main page for some time now. What is posted on the BC pick up is the older news.


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7235520
04/05/21 10:56 AM
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Anyone receive an FHA lotting letter yet?

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7235525
04/05/21 11:00 AM
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Do you mean showing up on your account when you log in?

Mine is the same info from back in September which shows that I sold a coyote and a beaver and the rest sits unmolested. (I did get a check for $85 in December from PT sales but it's not accounted for yet).

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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: beaverpeeler] #7235526
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
Do you mean showing up on your account when you log in?

Yes. It shows up how many of each species I shipped this time but no grades yet.

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7235535
04/05/21 11:25 AM
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I just now dropped 92 beaver with my agent but I don't expect to see those show up until late June.


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7235551
04/05/21 11:59 AM
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The sale dates have not changed, that's a typo

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7235562
04/05/21 12:24 PM
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Why is it that NO ONE with FH comes in here and answers these questions? Tman is the best outlet to reach their shippers as it appears the FH website is not.

I have no skin in this game but these type threads are started before EVERY FurHarvesters sale.

Is there no Tman members that are FH employees or on the inside that can straighten this out for everyone?

I dont understand why FH just remains quiet if they want folks to ship them fur.

Shippers need more than a once a year wild-arse guess market forecast followed by no further info from them.


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7235567
04/05/21 12:40 PM
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At this point in time, the staff at FH is working to get ready for the upcoming sale. Sample lots. Catalogs. Putting pictures in the buyers on line catalogs. Lots of little details. Posting on Tman is not top priority right know. Getting ready for the sale is.

FH operates with a much smaller staff than NAFA had. NAFA had dedicated IT employees. FH does not. The person in charge of the web site also works in the warehouse. Iím sure some one at FH keeps an eye on Tman, just to see what is being said. Any post they might make would have to be perfectly worded so as not to cause problems.

In the past, NAFA would have employees that posted on Tman. They would post as NAFA employees and would post general information and try to answer questions. Just about every post they made turned into a whining thread. Members, like jtrapper, complaining about something that happened back in the 1980ís. Folks upset with Private Treaty deals. The list goes on and on and on and on and on.

What should have been informative threads went downhill fast. Eventually, NAFA employees were told they should not post on Tman. Possibly the same is true at FH. There is enough controversy on FH threads as there is. Why add more fuel to the fire.


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7235611
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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: wissmiss] #7235625
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Originally Posted by wissmiss
At this point in time, the staff at FH is working to get ready for the upcoming sale. Sample lots. Catalogs. Putting pictures in the buyers on line catalogs. Lots of little details. Posting on Tman is not top priority right know. Getting ready for the sale is.

FH operates with a much smaller staff than NAFA had. NAFA had dedicated IT employees. FH does not. The person in charge of the web site also works in the warehouse. Iím sure some one at FH keeps an eye on Tman, just to see what is being said. Any post they might make would have to be perfectly worded so as not to cause problems.

In the past, NAFA would have employees that posted on Tman. They would post as NAFA employees and would post general information and try to answer questions. Just about every post they made turned into a whining thread. Members, like jtrapper, complaining about something that happened back in the 1980ís. Folks upset with Private Treaty deals. The list goes on and on and on and on and on.

What should have been informative threads went downhill fast. Eventually, NAFA employees were told they should not post on Tman. Possibly the same is true at FH. There is enough controversy on FH threads as there is. Why add more fuel to the fire.


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: wissmiss] #7235626
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Originally Posted by wissmiss
At this point in time, the staff at FH is working to get ready for the upcoming sale. Sample lots. Catalogs. Putting pictures in the buyers on line catalogs. Lots of little details. Posting on Tman is not top priority right know. Getting ready for the sale is.

FH operates with a much smaller staff than NAFA had. NAFA had dedicated IT employees. FH does not. The person in charge of the web site also works in the warehouse. Iím sure some one at FH keeps an eye on Tman, just to see what is being said. Any post they might make would have to be perfectly worded so as not to cause problems.

In the past, NAFA would have employees that posted on Tman. They would post as NAFA employees and would post general information and try to answer questions. Just about every post they made turned into a whining thread. Members, like jtrapper, complaining about something that happened back in the 1980ís. Folks upset with Private Treaty deals. The list goes on and on and on and on and on.

What should have been informative threads went downhill fast. Eventually, NAFA employees were told they should not post on Tman. Possibly the same is true at FH. There is enough controversy on FH threads as there is. Why add more fuel to the fire?


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7235629
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Beav - thatís what happens when a person gets old and senile. Right?? smile


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7235637
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Why is it that NO ONE with FH comes in here and answers these questions? Tman is the best outlet to reach their shippers as it appears the FH website is not.

I have no skin in this game but these type threads are started before EVERY FurHarvesters sale.

Is there no Tman members that are FH employees or on the inside that can straighten this out for everyone?

I dont understand why FH just remains quiet if they want folks to ship them fur.

Shippers need more than a once a year wild-arse guess market forecast followed by no further info from them.



You have a US director on the board-If you are a loyal shipper I'm sure you have his contact info.Ask him.

Like wismiss said-they wont subject themselves to the stupidity/bashing on an open forum from clueless people or people with ulterior motives/competitors.
They are too busy working for trappers.

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Boco - very well said.


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7235651
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Well If you want a person to deal with your organization you need to be up front with those persons. And If you take a little flack when you post the information then so be It. No one likes to be treated like a mushroom.

They could hire Miss Wiss she has plenty of time on her hands and seems to know her way around the fur trade and auction process.


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: Boco] #7235669
04/05/21 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Why is it that NO ONE with FH comes in here and answers these questions? Tman is the best outlet to reach their shippers as it appears the FH website is not.

I have no skin in this game but these type threads are started before EVERY FurHarvesters sale.

Is there no Tman members that are FH employees or on the inside that can straighten this out for everyone?

I dont understand why FH just remains quiet if they want folks to ship them fur.

Shippers need more than a once a year wild-arse guess market forecast followed by no further info from them.



You have a US director on the board-If you are a loyal shipper I'm sure you have his contact info.Ask him.

Like wismiss said-they wont subject themselves to the stupidity/bashing on an open forum from clueless people or people with ulterior motives/competitors.
They are too busy working for trappers.

As stated...I have no skin in this game....so Im just making an observation.....

They are too busy working for trappers??? Really?

Is that the reason why it seems NO ONE knows what the heck is going on with the FH or any of their auctions? Some of the trappers asking about what is going on are longtime shippers to FH.

Why would any trapper want to ship to a company where it seems like the current shippers are kept in the dark and the companies ops are not explained?

I hate to see them foldup like NAFA, but their marketing and openness to their shippers sux. Things dont look good for them and by missing opportunities to inform their shippers is BAD business.

I dont understand why a company with their crap together would worry about what a Tman thread turned into. Just put a post out about their plans and schedules......give trappers the correct info they need to make an informed decision about whether to ship to them or not.

Another fur company does this on Tman.

HOW DANG HARD IS THAT???


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7235690
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They are not a big company just a bunch of trappers with a bit of hired staff.
Like I said-contact your director-no need for whining and bashing.The directors are volunteer trappers representing the grassroots.There is 1 director from the ranch industry and 1 representing US trappers.There are 9 directors on the board that make the decisions on the direction of the company.If you have concerns contact your director and get him to bring it up at the board meeting.If you ship fur you are a delegate and can attend the AGM board meeting in North Bay once a year and vote.
Trappers are loyal to FHA because it was started by trappers for trappers and remains such.That is why trappers ship to FHA.

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Too busy to keep it's customer base informed? Must be a Democrat company. Anybody whose been around awhile knows exactly what the silence means. Be careful when You bend over to tie Your shoes.

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7235736
04/05/21 04:20 PM
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I imagine after reading a thread like this top brass at FHA are glad they don't post here. No way to win.


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: beaverpeeler] #7235743
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
I imagine after reading a thread like this top brass at FHA are glad they don't post here. No way to win.

I doubt their top brass can even figure out how to get online. Unbelievable,your customers are treated like ,your lucky we take your fur. A high school kid could update accounts and communicate with shippers better than those clowns do


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7235749
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I think you would be surprised who at FH follows Tman. Probably s vernal (or more) of the top brass.

Back in the NAFA days, even Herman followed Tman. I know that for a fact because on more than one occasion he would comment to me about something some one had posted. Others the followed Tman - Oscar, the Private Treaty person.

I still say that getting ready for the upcoming sale is more important that jousting on Tman.


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7235759
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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: wissmiss] #7235771
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Originally Posted by wissmiss
Beav - thatís what happens when a person gets old and senile. Right?? smile

Or one can always run for President of our nation!!lol

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So can dealers have minuim bid limits set on goods at sale or in pt room ?

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In the past, dealers could put limits on their goods IF the goods were all theirs. If the dealers goods were in the intersort lots, the no limits.

When NAFA closed, FHA changed their policy. Due to limited storage space, dealers could no long put limits on their goods. Many dealer goods were intersorted with trappers goods. Dealers had no choice.

There are still a couple of major players that have limits on their goods. Special favor from FH for the volume they send.


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7235811
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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7235867
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So groenwolds sell at FHA? I thought other way around

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I doubt very much that Groenwaldís sells at FH. They have many direct contacts overseas. Both ?Asia and Europe. They have no need to have FH market their goods.

There are any number of other major buyers of raw fur in the country. They all have their own overseas markets, for the most part.


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: The Beav] #7235895
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What did you average on your beaver sir?

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I talked to Toby Edwards today the fur pickup is on. The info on the April 19 sale and how it will be handled is a variable. Canada is going covid kooky again.

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Of the major buyers, I heard groenwolds prices better other major buyers, not to say u could find better prices elsewhere , u would have be licensed to ship fur to Chinese buyers? Not work as trapper to send overseas ? I have go thru broker, I don't believe nowadays u find good broker as a trapper, years ago maybe

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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: wissmiss] #7236157
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Originally Posted by wissmiss


I still say that getting ready for the upcoming sale is more important that jousting on Tman.


Couple questions, how many times do they have to get fur ready that has been there for years?

Are they year around employees?


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Probability around a 10 to 12 full time, with 40 or 50 part-time seasonal workers. Getting ready for a sale is the same for every sale, fresh goods need to be ticketed, some needs to be drummed, fur arrives from many different places over the course of a couple of weeks to a month. The steps to get it ready from ticketing it to building a sales catalogue take time.

Ontario is in a Covid lockdown so this is making it more difficult, they outright suck at their IT support, has always been their Achilles' heel.

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I am not sure it is just sucky IT support. It may well be their lack of understanding that the wise use of technology saves them far more time and money than it costs. There are lots of companies around that have not figured that out yet so it is not just FHA.

I do not believe that technology cost was a significant reason for NAFA going under. Matter of fact, technology may have even helped keep them afloat longer. They had plenty of other policies that were their downfall.


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7236334
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Misswiss did you register as a buyer for the upcoming auction again?

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Originally Posted by Saskfly
Misswiss did you register as a buyer for the upcoming auction again?


Yes. I am registered. When they confirmed my reservation , the email said more details of how the auction will work will be provided when it is available.

As of this morning, no additional details. Too early to be concerned.


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: The Beav] #7236513
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Originally Posted by The Beav
Originally Posted by wissmiss
At this point in time, the staff at FH is working to get ready for the upcoming sale. Sample lots. Catalogs. Putting pictures in the buyers on line catalogs. Lots of little details. Posting on Tman is not top priority right know. Getting ready for the sale is.

FH operates with a much smaller staff than NAFA had. NAFA had dedicated IT employees. FH does not. The person in charge of the web site also works in the warehouse. Iím sure some one at FH keeps an eye on Tman, just to see what is being said. Any post they might make would have to be perfectly worded so as not to cause problems.

In the past, NAFA would have employees that posted on Tman. They would post as NAFA employees and would post general information and try to answer questions. Just about every post they made turned into a whining thread. Members, like jtrapper, complaining about something that happened back in the 1980ís. Folks upset with Private Treaty deals. The list goes on and on and on and on and on.

What should have been informative threads went downhill fast. Eventually, NAFA employees were told they should not post on Tman. Possibly the same is true at FH. There is enough controversy on FH threads as there is. Why add more fuel to the fire.


The same old song and dance just a different day.


Right on Beav...they must be seriously busy for a seriously long time...they still havenít updated my account for a piddly little check they sent me months ago. How am I supposed to make any sort of decision on what to catch/ship if they canít have the common decency to inform someone what they are receiving a check for? You cannot tell me it is not in theyíre computer system what sold PT...otherwise, how did they cut the check? I sure hope they donít lose the napkin that itís wrote on before someone has a chance to update my account.

And here we sit on the cusp of the last receiving date for a July sale. Conveniently, last receiving is before April sale results will be known too. I think Iíll pass until I find out whatís really going on!

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7236572
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BvrRetriever,

Under normal FHA protocols you wouldn't even have known about that money until after the next sale. End of story.

Their board of directors just thought that with a lot of us suffering economic issues with Covid that they would get us whatever money we had accumulated via PT sales between September and December into our pockets just before Christmas. It will be accounted for after the April sale.

Personally I think it was a nice gesture.


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https://www.furharvesters.com/pdf/pressreleaseAPRIL6.pdf

July 2021 Auction

Starting April 9th our auction facility is open for scheduled inspection to registered fur brokers and buyers. This is for inspection only and ONLINE bids will commence April 16th at 8am EST. This is an ďONLINEĒ auction and we will begin closing bids on April 17th at 7am through to the 20th.

Both European auctions very recently concluded and these sales ran for a few days longer than advertised due to increased interest. We decided to add an extra day as well to better accommodate our customers.


ALL PICK UP ROUTES ARE GOING AHEAD AS ADVERTISED ACROSS ALL OF NORTH AMERICA. The only exception is British Columbia and PEI which have been postponed for the time being.

Respectfully,
Mark Downey
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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7236584
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The auction catalogues are also starting to be released on their website under the buyers tab. Once they are released or shortly after the trappers accounts will show the grades and lotting.

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: red mt] #7236601
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
My agent is saying that generally there is a positive buzz on the April sale. We'll see. And of course all the private treaty between September and April will be accounted for after this sale. I hear that it was fairly active in the PT realm.

Why would they bid on anything when they know they can buy at below asking price in PT room cool

That's not always true. Click on the sold catalog section and scroll to the bottom of the page, PT sales at the last sale were higher, grade for grade on most species if you compare the sold prices.

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So many fail to consider the fluidity of the market. Can anyone recall what rats were selling for in the country last November? Seemed like sellers primary objective was to move goods. Regardless of price.

Under the circumstances I do agree that FHA needs improve communication and learn to take advantage of technology in order to break out and exploit the true auction advantage.

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Yep averages were around $4.00 I know one guy got a $4.35 cent average on 1000 + rats.


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: nimzy] #7237082
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Originally Posted by nimzy
So many fail to consider the fluidity of the market. Can anyone recall what rats were selling for in the country last November? Seemed like sellers primary objective was to move goods. Regardless of price.

Under the circumstances I do agree that FHA needs improve communication and learn to take advantage of technology in order to break out and exploit the true auction advantage.


Yes, I can tell you. Not enough!

What do I win.

FHA has and will most likely be behind the times when it comes to technology, it's expensive. I don't like it either but it wouldn't be a deal breaker for me.

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: The Beav] #7237099
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Originally Posted by The Beav
Well If you want a person to deal with your organization you need to be up front with those persons. And If you take a little flack when you post the information then so be It. No one likes to be treated like a mushroom.

They could hire Miss Wiss she has plenty of time on her hands and seems to know her way around the fur trade and auction process.


I wish they would treat me like a Mushroom. Mushrooms are more valuable than marten around here. I'm fixin to be treated like Ned Beatty again, I suspect frown


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7237251
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Marten...aren't those the new Alaska possum?


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7237261
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Inspection starts this Friday the 9th, but they have yet to update my account ? The last auction they had my account screwed up and it took several phone calls to fix it. Looks like they are cutting pretty close, with only about a week to go before the actual auction ?

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I'm hoping they update accounts also, I had a bunch sell pt months ago and also shipped a bunch so would be nice to see what's left and graded at

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: nimzy] #7237395
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Originally Posted by nimzy
So many fail to consider the fluidity of the market. Can anyone recall what rats were selling for in the country last November? Seemed like sellers primary objective was to move goods. Regardless of price.

Under the circumstances I do agree that FHA needs improve communication and learn to take advantage of technology in order to break out and exploit the true auction advantage.


Nimzy,

Have you sold your winter rat catch, yet ?

If not, how, when, & with who do you intend to
market your rats with ?

Just asking for a friend !!! laugh

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He wont tell you Walleyed-he doesnt want you to flood the market with all those world famous top notch NY section rats.

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Sell to highest bidder. Eyes on FHA

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Originally Posted by Boco
He wont tell you Walleyed-he doesnt want you to flood the market with all those world famous top notch NY section rats.


No chance of me flooding the market with my spring rat catch.

In fact, it's my most pitiful spring catch of rats in 10 years.

Oh well, at least I was out there catching a few.

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Its a great time of year to be out on the creeks.

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: Steven 49er] #7237622
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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Originally Posted by nimzy
So many fail to consider the fluidity of the market. Can anyone recall what rats were selling for in the country last November? .


Yes, I can tell you. Not enough!

What do I win.



For your patience and foresight you will be awarded the sum of the difference between then and now, times the skins you have available. Lol

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What if then is greater than now?

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: nimzy] #7237648
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Originally Posted by nimzy


For your patience and foresight you will be awarded the sum of the difference between then and now, times the skins you have available. Lol


Like yours, the ones I have ain't for sell at these values. I do believe Boco is right, we'll see 7 to 8 dollar averages within the next 18 months.

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Or 9 or ten if drought strickens.

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Originally Posted by Rat Masterson
What if then is greater than now?


The staple goods will move together with momentum. We are in a deep cavern, there is only one way out.

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Originally Posted by nimzy
Or 9 or ten if drought strickens.




If that happens, Biden and co. will love you.

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We hit double digits Iíll love him too. Groeny told me ďwe only have a market when democratiz are in officeĒ. I hope he is proven correct, again?

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When the last time the US cranked up the money presses starting in 08 it took a couple years for the rat market to get hot(among others) and a couple three more to peak.

I'm starting to read predictions of corn 8 to 10 dollars by '23.

Hang on boys, we printed a heck of a lot more money on this go around and not done either.

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The highest highs follow the deepest lows. Thats why you canít let them all go at once. Well that and your earlier insinuation.

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You might see $7.00 averages but I don't think It's going to go any higher.


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I need to sell mine.

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If you can, wait until the auction is over.

Are you taking your walk in with you?

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: The Beav] #7237952
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Originally Posted by The Beav
You might see $7.00 averages but I don't think It's going to go any higher.


Why? $7 averages are no where near any form of break out figures. Beav I am not saying you are incorrect, just curious on your theory. (Good discussion material)

You Thinking a $7 average would generate enough interest by producers to create oversupply? Or something else?

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Anticipating $7 average would bring thousands of traps into water that are currently hanging on walls.

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By a bunch of gentlemen like myself who are 8 years older then the last go round. Rat trapping is WORK. $7 isnít a great incentive in this day and age. Rephrase hardly incentive. Jmo

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Rats might be worth 7 bucks by next springs selling season? So what, the real question is what is 7 dollars going to be worth.

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ps at that price walleyed will kill it!

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Not that money is the only incentive to trap. Although it likely inspires increased activity in those with other motives.

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Agreed but $$ provides an additional incentive which results of more production.

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: nimzy] #7237996
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Originally Posted by nimzy
Not that money is the only incentive to trap. Although it likely inspires increased activity in those with other motives.


You almost had your mind right! It would appear trappers tend to reset the level it is worth it. I anticpate trappers getting excited and bragging about new prices that are still not very good or poor. They want to trap, so they will tell themselves it is worth it or antipate prices that will not materialize. Even here I hear stuff about fur already caught, frozen and ready to dump on the market when prices get acceptable, probably flooding the market and keeping prices moderately low.


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7238018
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OK they are having inspections starting tomorrow. My fur is still not updated on my account. They sold stuff pt so who knows what is for sale and what is not? I also see they have turned it into an internet sale and extended it because of renewed interest. If there is such interest wouldn't the buyers be bidding aggressively from the start? I wonder how many days of pt they will have after the sale and how long it will take to make all those back door deals? Sure hope this is not another continued fire sale but I am not very optimistic about the outcome. I have coon left but they gave the best away earlier and sold all my rats for little to nothing compared to what you all are talking now. I guess time will tell. I just hope I get paid for what they gave away after the last auction pt fest. You know, the one where they said no PT sales after the auction was over. LLL


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I feel the Groney sale will about kill any chance of FHA having a good sale. I feel that is where the international buyers will be. There may be some bargain shopping on the computer and small buyers looking to pick up stuff cheap to resale at trapper auctions or use in the trinket trade. But some how I don't see a fur boom coming. I wonder if FHA will survive what is going on. All the stars are lining up for Groney.


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7238034
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First priority at FH is getting catalogs ready so buyers have something to work with tomorrow. Right now, only 7 catalogs have been posted.

Once ALL the catalogs are ready, then updating shipper accounts is the next step.


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: wissmiss] #7238041
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Originally Posted by wissmiss
First priority at FH is getting catalogs ready so buyers have something to work with tomorrow. Right now, only 7 catalogs have been posted.

Once ALL the catalogs are ready, then updating shipper accounts is the next step.


What have they been doing this whole time since the last "sale"? Don't tell me tagging and bringing in new fur because that amount is surely a mere pitence of what they have taken in in the past. Updating an account after a sale is usually done instantly but I guess they could not do that this time. LLL


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7238060
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Remember last auction when guys where just hoping there fur would sell with everything going on? Even some of the country buyers would not touch stuff last year at this time......Talk was not how much you could get for it but where someone would even make an offer.

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: wissmiss] #7238150
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Originally Posted by wissmiss
First priority at FH is getting catalogs ready so buyers have something to work with tomorrow. Right now, only 7 catalogs have been posted.

Once ALL the catalogs are ready, then updating shipper accounts is the next step.

This is where the wise use of technology could pay off. It is all the same data, just a different sort and distribution. It should all be done at the same time in the background or offline and then it is just a matter of making it live.


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: MJM] #7238214
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Originally Posted by MJM
I feel the Groney sale will about kill any chance of FHA having a good sale. I feel that is where the international buyers will be. There may be some bargain shopping on the computer and small buyers looking to pick up stuff cheap to resale at trapper auctions or use in the trinket trade. But some how I don't see a fur boom coming. I wonder if FHA will survive what is going on. All the stars are lining up for Groney.



I got this little tid bit from a FHA employee.
Don't know If this fact or not but groney isn't having a sale. Sometime about the Chinese telling him It's not going to happen.


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7238234
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During the 3 months since the last receiving date for this sale, Canada has spent a lot of time in lockdown. Only so many people could be in the building at once. At one point is was 5 and it was only that many because the FH building is 2 levels tall. Amostnof thenemployees were working from home.

It is easy for an IT guy or an office person to work from home. But what about a fur Grader?? What is he/she supposed to do - take 2000 muskrats home to grade..........

GIVE THEM A BREAK!!!! They are attempting to have a sale in very difficult times. This isnít a walk in the park for them!!!


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7238243
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I think we all understand that however my fur sold 5 months ago private treaty and a portion of the funds were sent with absolutely no idea what it was for or how much and no update to accounts. If they would simply update the shippers I'm sure it would save thousands of unnecessary phone calls and emails.

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7238277
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With the Trump vaccines, and possibly some light at the end of the cofid tunnel, the hope is for loosening restrictions. So as for the upcoming June/July sale, it sounds like FHA is prepared to move it back to Aug etc if that means open borders and in person auction. Let's hope so and the sooner the better!


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7238289
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Groney's sale has been postponed, they got caught with raw coyote pelts in China which is a no no. So FHA sale will go off first which should help them. Rats are supposed to increase some, how much is the million dollar question.

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: wissmiss] #7238327
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Originally Posted by wissmiss
During the 3 months since the last receiving date for this sale, Canada has spent a lot of time in lockdown. Only so many people could be in the building at once. At one point is was 5 and it was only that many because the FH building is 2 levels tall. Amostnof thenemployees were working from home.

It is easy for an IT guy or an office person to work from home. But what about a fur Grader?? What is he/she supposed to do - take 2000 muskrats home to grade..........

GIVE THEM A BREAK!!!! They are attempting to have a sale in very difficult times. This isnít a walk in the park for them!!!


That is laughable. Greg and his crew have been there the whole time. What fur is there to grade? I bet this is as little of fur as they have handled in decades. But like has already been said, they sold a bunch of fur six plus months ago and have not updated anything. That all could have been done remotely unless something else is going on.

My take is that they did not want folks to know what they gave their better fur away for until they had shipped this winter's fresh goods to them. Nothing else comes close to explaining it. Quit carrying their water. They would not tell you the truth either if it was shady. LLL


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7238350
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I got the perfect solution for LL....don't ship to FHA if you don't like how they do things. They pretty much have been doing things the same way ever since I first shipped 22-23 years ago. Nothing new here.


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: beaverpeeler] #7238360
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
I got the perfect solution for LL....don't ship to FHA if you don't like how they do things. They pretty much have been doing things the same way ever since I first shipped 22-23 years ago. Nothing new here.

Theyre not gonna survive if they keep it up either.


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7238391
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Nafa never updated accts never or not all time after pt sales until next sale, lot gripes about FHA, smaller outfit than nafa, never try them I don't know, so Thais kinda a broker or u got have lot fur to go thru a broker to get it directly to China ?

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: beaverpeeler] #7238475
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
I got the perfect solution for LL....don't ship to FHA if you don't like how they do things. They pretty much have been doing things the same way ever since I first shipped 22-23 years ago. Nothing new here.


I took your advice. I will not be shipping anything to them going forward but for your insight this was not my first time shipping either. I probably shipped more fur to them this last decade than you have in your 24 years I would bet. LLL


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7238478
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
I got the perfect solution for LL....don't ship to FHA if you don't like how they do things. They pretty much have been doing things the same way ever since I first shipped 22-23 years ago. Nothing new here.

Theyre not gonna survive if they keep it up either.


Yep...something stinks.

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7238480
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They flat out lied when they said they would not sell any fur after the August sale dates were over. They did sell a bunch of stuff real cheap. That is not how they have done business in the past. They are going the way of NAFA. Dave you better find you a local dealer. LLL


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In todayís day and age, there is absolutely no reason for lack of communication! I refuse to send more fur into a black hole. Iíve got other outlets but liked the idea of competitive bidding. If Iím kept in the dark I will act accordingly.

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: BvrRetriever] #7238489
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Originally Posted by BvrRetriever
In todayís day and age, there is absolutely no reason for lack of communication! I refuse to send more fur into a black hole. Iíve got other outlets but liked the idea of competitive bidding. If Iím kept in the dark I will act accordingly.


There is no competitive bidding when they sell stuff in the private treaty room. LLL


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Originally Posted by LLtrapper
Originally Posted by BvrRetriever
In todayís day and age, there is absolutely no reason for lack of communication! I refuse to send more fur into a black hole. Iíve got other outlets but liked the idea of competitive bidding. If Iím kept in the dark I will act accordingly.


There is no competitive bidding when they sell stuff in the private treaty room. LLL



Good point. At least when you sell local you can pull it back.

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Yep I know a fella that sold 50 northern wi mink for a $2.97 average to a traveling country buyer back before chistmas. Whatís ur point?

This.entire season has been a fire sale up to 3 weeks ago.

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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7238549
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Sorry LL, I'm sure you're right and I'm likely guilty of coming off a little snippy....but gee wiz man, if you've done business with them for as long as you say, you know how they do things. Nothing has changed. Why the constant whining?

The fur market is not good but should we kill the messenger?


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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
Sorry LL, I'm sure you're right and I'm likely guilty of coming off a little snippy....but gee wiz man, if you've done business with them for as long as you say, you know how they do things. Nothing has changed. Why the constant whining?

The fur market is not good but should we kill the messenger?


They have never flat out lied about things in the past. You cannot tell me you will not sell my stuff at a private treaty and then do just that. I hold Mark Downey responsible for that. I despise a liar. Tell me the truth. I can take that. Tell me a lie and I will never trust you again for the most part or at least have reservations. LLL


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Poor communication cost FHA some business for sure this year. I would guess their intentions were good on holding to valuations going into recent auctions, but underestimated how depressed the market had become. Perhaps they had to move some product just to stay afloat. It caused me to hold fur back that I intended to ship, but instead found another market. Still, I won't write them off in the future and hope they can right the ship and become a viable market again.

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: coonman220] #7238649
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Originally Posted by coonman220
Nafa never updated accts never or not all time after pt sales until next sale, lot gripes about FHA, smaller outfit than nafa, never try them I don't know, so Thais kinda a broker or u got have lot fur to go thru a broker to get it directly to China ?

NAFA always updated my account with any PT sales by prompt date. Any PT sales that occurred after prompt date would be updated at next auction.


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7238652
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Can anyone remember anything they said or does that matter? They said they would NOT sell anything after the sale. They did. I guess some do not know about the scripture of "let your yes be yes and your no be no. LLL


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: Kevin Nordby] #7238691
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Originally Posted by Kevin Nordby
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Here are my private treaty sales on some lots at fha as of 3/17/2021
I am also happy with the results
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Hid did you find that info? I didnít want to bother them but I certainly donít see anything on my account pertaining to pt sales


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LL, apologies extended. I now get your point, and I do recall then saying it was auction or nothing or words to the effect. Must have changed their minds.


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As much as it bothers the shippers, Iím afraid it showed the brokers/buyers that FHA saying itís auction ďor elseĒ means nothing. Essentially their bluff was called.


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: LLtrapper] #7238773
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Originally Posted by LLtrapper
Can anyone remember anything they said or does that matter? They said they would NOT sell anything after the sale. They did. I guess some do not know about the scripture of "let your yes be yes and your no be no. LLL


It doesn't matter.


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Donít ship fur your not willing to accept a total loss. Shipping is a big gamble. In other words, Live by the sword and die by the sword. There is a small niche market for a few select articles in small quantities. Not what I would consider a viable fur market therefore large percentage of most trappers fur shipped will have little to no value. No way FHA can make everyone happy. (Fur prices stink no matter where trapper sells)

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It needs to be a partnership. If I canít trust them, itís not going to work. Things seem shady to me right now.

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All this dissatisfaction is a sign of capitulation?

A Nafa agent once told me ďyouíre only as good as your LAST saleĒ. Whereas I replied. No, youíre only as good as your NEXT sale. He chuckled at that.

A testimony to the challenges of ďtrustĒ, the scrutiny of decisions. And the interpretation of the fallout.

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I just dropped off a string of coyotes and a sack of rats with the local receiving agent. I'm thinking the coyotes will do ok regardless and that things might be perking up with the rats. We'll see.


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7238950
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wissmiss being a buyer at the auction are you planning on giving 20 to 30 dollar averages on coon and record highs on other fur bet it woudnt take them long to put that on the internet if you did

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7239088
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LL if you have shipped so much fur I'm sure you have read the conditions of sale. #7 They will sell your fur at their discretion. You Knew what you were getting into when you sent your fur there. Being so you didn't trap this year evidently you couldn't find any place better in this market. So unwad your panties and suck it up buttercup. cry

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: teepee2] #7239303
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Originally Posted by teepee2
LL if you have shipped so much fur I'm sure you have read the conditions of sale. #7 They will sell your fur at their discretion. You Knew what you were getting into when you sent your fur there. Being so you didn't trap this year evidently you couldn't find any place better in this market. So unwad your panties and suck it up buttercup. cry

Tell that to the guys NAFA screwed. We have one auction house left and I doubt they have any interest in more fur. Maybe more state association sales could help fill a void. FHA doesn't have the facilities, tech savvy manpower or ambition to anything more than a small Canadian trapper led company. Nothing wrong with that but sure would like to see some forward thinking people come up with other options. The market might actually be on the upswing for a few years with few ranch mink being produced


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: teepee2] #7239358
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Originally Posted by teepee2
LL if you have shipped so much fur I'm sure you have read the conditions of sale. #7 They will sell your fur at their discretion. You Knew what you were getting into when you sent your fur there. Being so you didn't trap this year evidently you couldn't find any place better in this market. So unwad your panties and suck it up buttercup. cry


Who are you toilet paper two? Where does it say they can lie and that is ok. They told us they were not going to sell them PT and did. How much fur do you have up there? I did not trap because there was no money to be made. Why add to the injury? Did not know I had to run my business past you. LLL


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Larry, you had to learn the hard way. FHA has told us many times they are going to "hold" the line so to speak and then did the opposite.

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They said one thing and did another, sounds like politicians have taken over FHA.

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They said one thing and did another, sounds like politicians have taken over FHA.

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Conditions change that often require different strategy. Someone that has to get income from fur most likely shouldnít ship to auction house, take guarantee money locally. The fur market sucks, I bought fur for almost 10 years and none of my arrangements are currently in existence.

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The spring selling season of 2014 was the last time the auctions were a viable choice, barely. In a hot market the auctions are great, in a climate like this a very poor choice.

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: Steven 49er] #7239716
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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Larry, you had to learn the hard way. FHA has told us many times they are going to "hold" the line so to speak and then did the opposite.



Holding the line stalls cash flow, increases risk, requires additional handling and creates storage fees that can only be recovered with significant pelt price increases. As sellers we need to recognize the current environment. When things are bad we must expect bad things.

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7239743
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FHA for all their good intentions are simply the equivalent of Class A Baseball !! Kids that are never going to make it! As a Buisnessman I find it in inconceivable that an organization that is operating within a Worldwide Market can be so tech antiquated and fundamentally inferior to what actually takes to operate competitively in the Worldwide market place. I personally have no I'll feelings towards them.as they are trying to provide us with a market resource in the toughest of conditions but they drop the ball repeatedly when it comes to communication with their shippers and I can only assume are as inept when dealing with clients which is not to reassuring.

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Originally Posted by Guy Johnson
FHA for all their good intentions are simply the equivalent of Class A Baseball !! Kids that are never going to make it! As a Buisnessman I find it in inconceivable that an organization that is operating within a Worldwide Market can be so tech antiquated and fundamentally inferior to what actually takes to operate competitively in the Worldwide market place. I personally have no I'll feelings towards them.as they are trying to provide us with a market resource in the toughest of conditions but they drop the ball repeatedly when it comes to communication with their shippers and I can only assume are as inept when dealing with clients which is not to reassuring.


Key word competitive. They really no longer have any in this business model.

Nafa was far and away savvy. However all that savvy can create suspicion and irritate shippers.

Perhaps FHA found flaw in that and believes simplistic carries a more ďhonestĒ vibe? Just spitballing

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: nimzy] #7239784
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Again as I said I don't have any beef with FHA except that I observe them pretending to be in the big leagues when in fact we all know that they simply are not, they are earnest in their desire to be but in t h.g.h e Market place they are country yokels!

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7239787
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any one that has been at this for a few years know that fha sale most of the time followed nafas sale what nafa did fha did sell held for hopfully higher prices what ever have you heard once of a action company visiting buyers across the water after nafa closed if you look at the sales they get less every year at fha you guys wanting to see better prices better hope some thing besides groney and fha happens

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: Rat Masterson] #7239799
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Originally Posted by Rat Masterson
They said one thing and did another, sounds like politicians have taken over FHA.


I believe they hired a lot of former NAFA employees. Seems like it. smile

If you guys don't think NAFA could screw up or lie, check out Doilette.


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7239823
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Is it Furharvesters fault if the "line" was that low. 6.67 avg on eastern coon seems decent in this market.

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In the last few years of Nafa's existence many felt that their grading had gone downhill, eroding buyers confidence. In that regard FHA had them beat, in particular when it came to beaver.


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7239866
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Funny you should say that beaverpeeler because my beaver always graded much better at FHA than NAFA. Buyers definitely got the better deal on beaver at NAFA , certainly not me.


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7239872
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But NAFA kicked butt when It came to Otter. Oh for those days of $100.00 averages.


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: beaverpeeler] #7239876
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
In the last few years of Nafa's existence many felt that their grading had gone downhill, eroding buyers confidence. In that regard FHA had them beat, in particular when it came to beaver.



I agree FHA had the upper hand when it comes to beaver. Iím not disputing that. Itís the lack of communication that Iíve got a problem with. Itís very difficult for me to comprehend getting a check that I donít know what itís for. Maybe Iíll feel more confident in them again once my account finally gets updated. Time will tell.

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: The Beav] #7239898
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Originally Posted by The Beav
But NAFA kicked butt when It came to Otter. Oh for those days of $100.00 averages.

And raccoon! And it really wasn't close. Anywhere with anybody. cry


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They're still standing, they must be doing something right.


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: The Beav] #7239953
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Originally Posted by The Beav
But NAFA kicked butt when It came to Otter. Oh for those days of $100.00 averages.


At the same time, my otter were averaging $120.00 at FHA,
and my beavers were averaging higher at FHA as well, BEAV !! laugh

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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7239963
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You guys must have a poor otter.
I sold section3 otter with the hair falling out for $180 back in the otter boom.

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Originally Posted by Boco
You guys must have a poor otter.
I sold section3 otter with the hair falling out for $180 back in the otter boom.


Raising the BS flag.


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For wissmiss.
You should know by now that I dont BS. [Linked Image]

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: The Beav] #7239992
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Originally Posted by The Beav
I'll help you raise the flag.


When Boco posts, I run for my hip boots. smile


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7239994
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You can all drop your flags,like wissmiss you should all know by now that I never bs.

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Canadian funny money?


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Not sure beav,the dollars were near par at one time.

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I got a bunch of otter off of some ADC guys In SC and most of them were caught In August and September they still averaged around $120.00. One of those otter boom years I skinned 80 otter I made some dollars that year.

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All this reminiscing doesnít change my opinion of otter! Lol

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I don't think any of them made it to the fur market.


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Note the avgs on both sec 1 and sec 3

The chinamen were buying everything back then as long as it was an otter.

Grade was seemingly irrelevant.

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It appears they have given birth to multiple sale catalogs in the past couple of days.

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Originally Posted by Boco


The chinamen were buying everything back then as long as it was an otter.

Grade was seemingly irrelevant.


Same as when China went nuts for sea otter back in the day only that was even better.


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: beaverpeeler] #7240426
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
In the last few years of Nafa's existence many felt that their grading had gone downhill, eroding buyers confidence. In that regard FHA had them beat, in particular when it came to beaver.

Dead right on this Carl. The "Chinese Grade" literally put some small manufacturers out of business, beaver is a good example with Montreal beaver garment specialist's, wild mink another. Fontani's in Milan used to produce the world's finest wild mink garments, but they had to be very carefully matched. They succumbed to not only getting older but not adapting to finding another source of finely graded wild mink skins. NAFA had at one time literally dozens of sections of wild mink. At the end they only had three to my knowledge. The gist of this post is that accurate grading is even more important with wild fur than it is with ranched goods. I do have to agree that their internet skills could use significant improvement, pretty outdated!

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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: nimzy] #7240478
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Originally Posted by nimzy
Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Larry, you had to learn the hard way. FHA has told us many times they are going to "hold" the line so to speak and then did the opposite.



Holding the line stalls cash flow, increases risk, requires additional handling and creates storage fees that can only be recovered with significant pelt price increases. As sellers we need to recognize the current environment. When things are bad we must expect bad things.


I agree in market conditions like this. But not so much in rising or strong market.

I got soured on FHA for some time because of they handled the rat market. I had a FHA agent convince me to ship rats right before the rat boom really got legs and convinced me to put them on them on the June sale. Bad on me for doing it and I take credit for my decision but those rats averaged less than two bucks and the next January they were 5 6 dollar rats. When the rat market got hot I can think of two years FHA sold the rats in their early sale for less than I was getting in the country.

I believe there is a time to hold and a time to fold.

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7240480
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I've been there a time or two as well Steven.

If I had burned my bridges after every fur selling deal where I felt I got the short end of things.....I would have no more outlets left to sell fur.


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7240565
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I guess I advocate auctions because I believe in the concept. The structure of competitive bidding, the idea that the more I make the more they make. When the market is poised to move the auction creates pressure, captures the action and provides full disclosure, in real time.
Flip side That exact system treads turbulent water during tough times. Many have difficulty with the transfer of power when handing over their fur. Itís frustrating to witness all the negativity associated with hind sight actions. And the loonnngggg memories of the scorned.
Perhaps Iím living in the past. If this fur market continues towards a ďwalmartizationĒ with one or three ďmiddlemen ď leading the charge Im afraid I will lose any viable supplemental income source and have to change a lifestyle. Pure selfishness I suppose.

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If you are a tech savvy entrepreneur we need ya! Bring this 600 year old industry into modern times and walk or should I say run away with that brass ring.

There is an opportunity to make john Jacob Astor look like a chump. Lol

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7240577
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Buyers can wait for private sales so they donít have to bid their top price. Private sales hurt the ave price, IMO. I would rather they sell every lot to the highest bidder. But I donít have a large volume either.


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Originally Posted by 8117 Steve R
Buyers can wait for private sales so they donít have to bid their top price. Private sales hurt the ave price, IMO. I would rather they sell every lot to the highest bidder. But I donít have a large volume either.


Not in a competitive market. PT is an aftermarket associate. A sign of weakness. Yes the auction has a responsibility to recruit active bidders (which may at times be easier said then done)

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7240591
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You guys act like some including me are mad because they sold my fur cheap. You totally glance over the part where the President of FHA came out in a notification that they would not sell ANYTHING after the last day of the sale.

If I told you on the fur shed that I was selling two dozen traps for 100.00 and then sent you 23 and told you that after you sent your money would that be ok? No you would be pming me and if I did nothing to fix it you would be on here saying how I stole from you. I would be a LIAR. I said one thing and did the other. No one stole anything from me but they lied.

Also you guys say you like competitive bidding. Yes that is exactly what a true auction even on line does. When you know you can buy them cheaper with no competition there is no reason to even bid. No wonder the fur market is in the toilet. Trappers cannot figure marketing out and are willing to loose money. They figure if they make a dollar or two over the cost of gas then they have made something not taking into consideration all the other expense because after all they don't make money fishing or deer hunting. lol.

The phrase " I don't trap for the money" is the dumbest thing you could say on an open forum besides "I do it for the fun". It allows anti trappers to say those folks just like to kill things.

I trap for the money. Yes I do enjoy getting out in nature but once that is over and I have a truck load of fur to work every night the fun is gone and I want to be paid for my work. I am a skilled tradesman and do not expect to be lied to, cheated or wrote a bad check so for that reason I will no longer be shipping fur to any so called auction house until the PT room no longer exists.

An Auction house sells to the highest bidder. If it does not sell then they sell it at the next auction. NO OTHER AUCTION has a back room sale. That flies in the face of competitive bidding. If you guys cannot see that then I cannot help but think you really just need a place to dump your fur. Your bad. I am done with it for now. LLL


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An auction, like any business is great when it works. Saying no PT sales works great until there are no bids at auction. Imagine the outrage if all bids started at a dime and everything sold no matter what the price. Would the offended be satisfied then?

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Originally Posted by Rat Masterson
An auction, like any business is great when it works. Saying no PT sales works great until there are no bids at auction. Imagine the outrage if all bids started at a dime and everything sold no matter what the price. Would the offended be satisfied then?


Why put a value on them? They do that too. Remember these places are the heartbeat of the industry. They talk to manufacturers and end users daily. If they sold them for what they valued them at it would be more transparent than saying you will not sell them after the sale and do just the contrary. You all just don't get it I guess. The bottom line is when you are in business and you say something you are on the hook for it. I run two businesses and when I tell my customer I will or will not do something that is exactly what happens. If there is a chance I will not be able to I tell them that upfront ie. it might rain and that will put it off a day or two.

They did not see that they needed money to operate and hence the need to give our fur away cheap after saying they would not so I am the bad guy because I despise a liar. I think some of you folks are possibly part of the problem. Ship away until your check bounces from them and then some will still be willing to ship. It is laughable. LLL


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It's called the skin game for a reason and I'm not talking about the fur.

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7240720
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I have no problem with pt sales after a competithive auction near the going rates


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Good points LL. I get what you're saying. At the same time I have on more than one occasion chosen to take my fur off of a competitive local auction where only the bottom feeder buyers have bid, and shipped it north hoping to get a more realistic price. And sometimes it all comes back in my face. Generally I prefer to take my lumps up north than locally. Maybe it's because I loath giving them away to buyers I know. Guess I prefer the anonymity.

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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: Dirt] #7240774
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Originally Posted by Dirt
I have no problem with pt sales after a competithive auction near the going rates


This has not happened in a while now however. PT was for those who wanted something but needed time to communicate with the broker. Now it is the auction house being the broker as I see it. LLL


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: LLtrapper] #7240811
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Originally Posted by LLtrapper
Originally Posted by Dirt
I have no problem with pt sales after a competithive auction near the going rates


This has not happened in a while now however. PT was for those who wanted something but needed time to communicate with the broker. Now it is the auction house being the broker as I see it. LLL


I agree; not much auction going on.

As far as FHA telling trappers that they would not PT after the Auction: I believe they told the buyers this as the rule of that auction. Trappers were not told this prior to shipping the fur at that auction so we had no expectation of this prior to shipping. They lied to the buyers. We had hope!

Same crap different pile when NAFA had a no limit rule for buyers for coon and rats after the fur had been shipped. They didn't lie to the buyers, they (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) the shippers.


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7240893
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I'm not sure but I think back in the day NAFA upped the price by a small percentage once the fur went Into PT. Maybe Miss Wiss could comment on that.


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ya Beav there was a different shipping fee added on for those PT sales.

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7240927
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The commissions and fees were the same whether it sold in the room or PT. Exact same structure.

The starting price in the PT room depended on how that species did in the auction room.

If that species sold very well in the room, the PT price would be 10% above Hammer price. No wiggle room.

If the species sold ok in the room, the PT price would start at 10% above. They might settle for hammer price, especially if you wanted a lot of skins.

If the species struggled in the auction room, they would try for hammer price and probably hold at that level. If the buyer was talking large numbers, there was some negotiating room.

Iíve been going to international auctions since 1984. There has been only one case in all those years when the PT room was a free for all. The year was probably the late 1980s. The species was bears. The magic number was $3.00. It was either yes or no on my part. There were some bears that I declined to buy at that price.

Note - on those bears, this was when you could sell any bear, even partial hides in Ontario. Now the hide has to have 20 claws to be legal to sell. I donít recall the last time a bear sold for less than $20.00.

Except for that one time, I donít remember ever getting a smoking good deal in the PT room. Deals, yes. But no barn burner, get filthy rich deals.


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Thank you Miss Wiss. Your just commenting on how NAFA ran their PT sales right?


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7240943
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Yes. My comments all are in reference. FHA operates in a similar fashion. Often times, FH will announce there will be no PT sales. Either buy it in the room or go without. I usually do most of my FH buying in the room. On the items I buy, there isnít much left by the time the pages getnto the PT room.

At the FHA sale in April 2020, I did put together a couple of deals after the auction ended.


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: wissmiss] #7241041
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Originally Posted by wissmiss
The commissions and fees were the same whether it sold in the room or PT. Exact same structure.

The starting price in the PT room depended on how that species did in the auction room.

If that species sold very well in the room, the PT price would be 10% above Hammer price. No wiggle room.

If the species sold ok in the room, the PT price would start at 10% above. They might settle for hammer price, especially if you wanted a lot of skins.

If the species struggled in the auction room, they would try for hammer price and probably hold at that level. If the buyer was talking large numbers, there was some negotiating room.

Iíve been going to international auctions since 1984. There has been only one case in all those years when the PT room was a free for all. The year was probably the late 1980s. The species was bears. The magic number was $3.00. It was either yes or no on my part. There were some bears that I declined to buy at that price.

Note - on those bears, this was when you could sell any bear, even partial hides in Ontario. Now the hide has to have 20 claws to be legal to sell. I donít recall the last time a bear sold for less than $20.00.

Except for that one time, I donít remember ever getting a smoking good deal in the PT room. Deals, yes. But no barn burner, get filthy rich deals.



You must not be out of the loop then.. Lol.

Thanks for the hands on clarity. Over the years I have made it to 2 sales one in Seattle the other Toronto I was very impressed with both operations.

Do you ever get frustrated with the rumor mill?

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7241074
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Something I've never seen before. Looks like the 9 cats I sent in for this sale are already marked "held for next sale" Anyone have any insight on that?


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: wissmiss] #7241079
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Originally Posted by wissmiss
Yes. My comments all are in reference. FHA operates in a similar fashion. Often times, FH will announce there will be no PT sales. Either buy it in the room or go without. I usually do most of my FH buying in the room. On the items I buy, there isnít much left by the time the pages getnto the PT room.

At the FHA sale in April 2020, I did put together a couple of deals after the auction ended.


What changed on the PT room because that is not how it works now. What they sold coon for was not even close to the valuations they had on them. LLL


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: Castormound] #7241084
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Originally Posted by Castormound
Something I've never seen before. Looks like the 9 cats I sent in for this sale are already marked "held for next sale" Anyone have any insight on that?


Just my opinion. Perhaps they arrived too late to be included in this auction. Or they didnít have enough cats from your section to put up a good collection and they were/are hoping to have available for the next auction. Just an educated opinion.


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: nimzy] #7241091
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Originally Posted by nimzy
Originally Posted by wissmiss
The commissions and fees were the same whether it sold in the room or PT. Exact same structure.

The starting price in the PT room depended on how that species did in the auction room.

If that species sold very well in the room, the PT price would be 10% above Hammer price. No wiggle room.

If the species sold ok in the room, the PT price would start at 10% above. They might settle for hammer price, especially if you wanted a lot of skins.

If the species struggled in the auction room, they would try for hammer price and probably hold at that level. If the buyer was talking large numbers, there was some negotiating room.

Iíve been going to international auctions since 1984. There has been only one case in all those years when the PT room was a free for all. The year was probably the late 1980s. The species was bears. The magic number was $3.00. It was either yes or no on my part. There were some bears that I declined to buy at that price.

Note - on those bears, this was when you could sell any bear, even partial hides in Ontario. Now the hide has to have 20 claws to be legal to sell. I donít recall the last time a bear sold for less than $20.00.

Except for that one time, I donít remember ever getting a smoking good deal in the PT room. Deals, yes. But no barn burner, get filthy rich deals.



You must not be out of the loop then.. Lol.

Thanks for the hands on clarity. Over the years I have made it to 2 sales one in Seattle the other Toronto I was very impressed with both operations.

Do you ever get frustrated with the rumor mill?



One trip I will always be glad I made is a NAFA sale in Toronto, hopefully Canada opens back up and I can go to a FHA sale or the FHA convention.

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2nd year now no convention-bummer.
Been going every year since it was OTA.
Lots of friends there.

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They were there in time as all my other fur is posted. My hunch is maybe they were holding the fresh cats until they can get the buyers in person. No worries on my part, just found it unusual.


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Originally Posted by Boco
2nd year now no convention-bummer.
Been going every year since it was OTA.
Lots of friends there.


True , your partys have always been important to me. crazy

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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7241142
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Me too,good to get to know new people and meet up with old buddys.
Lots of stuff goes on besides the partying.Always good to talk to the graders over the weekend.
I met a few guys from the forum here at the convention.
And my good buddy,Robert Stitt, trapping in the Yukon now, comes down,great to see him.

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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7241174
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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: Castormound] #7241227
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Originally Posted by Castormound
They were there in time as all my other fur is posted. My hunch is maybe they were holding the fresh cats until they can get the buyers in person. No worries on my part, just found it unusual.


Your hunch is probably correct. The last receiving date for the April sale was the middle of January. Many of the better western cats are still walking around then. Or they are in freezers waiting to be put up.

By the last receiving date for the July sale (middle of April), cat seasons are closed and trappers have their fur put up and ready to sell/ship.

When you check out how cats sell in April, donít be too concerned if they donít do well. Much og the collection is probably held over goods or dealer lots. I think the cat offering will be much better at the July sale.


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Easy for you to say.

It seems this is a critical sale for FHA. Shipper confidence is extremely low. The timing of the latest internal news (which sounds like it occurred in September) is horrible. The accusations flying are serious. And the death sentence (bankruptcy) handed down to the competition is looming. If they fail to motivate buyers they will likely be crucified. Are fur auctions following the path of the buggy whip?

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Nimzy WissMiss is a buyer. She benefits from the way these people operate by her own admission. If I am not mistaken she has relation that works there. Those folks are not making the decisions however. It is the president. Watch for the golden parachutes to come out any time now. If they cannot get this right, which I doubt they can because of Canadian fear of foreign travel and other things, it will be there Waterloo. LLL


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wissmiss things change every auction you talk about what happened in the past you talk about the pt sells according to the bids they receive in the auction room how about the thousands of furs that dont even get a bid in the room and yes theres been a lot of sales that never even came close to the evaluations ive often wondered why they even bother with them talk about a waist of time

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: Joe1] #7241425
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Originally Posted by Joe1
wissmiss things change every auction you talk about what happened in the past you talk about the pt sells according to the bids they receive in the auction room how about the thousands of furs that dont even get a bid in the room and yes theres been a lot of sales that never even came close to the evaluations ive often wondered why they even bother with them talk about a waist of time

This is called the "Dunning-Kruger effect".

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7241442
04/12/21 12:05 PM
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The only thing we have to fear....is fear itself.

Nafa overextended itself catering to the ranch mink industry. FHA has been much more conservative and doesn't have much outstanding debt if any. They'll pull thorough this fur slump.


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7241482
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Monitors report April 5,2021

I guess you can't loan money to mink farmers and then sell their product below production costs. The farmers can't pay you back if you loaned them more than the mink are worth. Pure genius!

Weird thing is NAFA has mink at AME selling with FHA.

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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: Dirt] #7241634
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Becoming an bank and terrible decisions by Jansen as president broke them. He got out with a chunk of money before the cops got there many speculate They should be still business probably smaller but greed destroyed themq


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