Go ahead make them recreational.......but don't hand out ANY Narcan

Go ahead make them recreational.......but don't hand out ANY Narcan

Interesting thing I learned regarding opium poppies......in 1987, the DEA raided Thomas Jeffersons Monticello to remove the opium poppies that grew there. Opium poppies had been grown at Monticello continually since Jefferson lived there. (And yes, Jefferson used opium grown from his poppies).

Everyone should be solely responsible for the drugs they take.

That includes tobacco, alcohol and unhealthy food. No Medicaid or Medicare, or other welfare or government services, because of personal choices.

Sign me up for that society!

Everyone should be solely responsible for the drugs they take.

That includes tobacco, alcohol and unhealthy food. No Medicaid or Medicare, or other welfare or government services, because of personal choices.

Sign me up for that society!

Does the average addict have the means to pay recompense for the damage they cause?

I learned that opium, morphine and heroin all come from the opium poppy plant.

Sounds like most of you only want it legalized to kill off the deadbeats and dregs of society. This tells me the most of you want/desire a safe and orderly society that is free of addicts and weaker willed undisciplined people. The most of you want people who are responsible.

I get the survival of the fittest thing but there will be a wake of destruction that may touch your family. Is this what a wise society would do? More people will try it if it is legal. More family members will get addicted and worse.

I just can’t make the math work in my head.

Sounds like most of you only want it legalized to kill off the deadbeats and dregs of society. This tells me the most of you want/desire a safe and orderly society that is free of addicts and weaker willed undisciplined people. The most of you want people who are responsible.

I get the survival of the fittest thing but there will be a wake of destruction that may touch your family. Is this what a wise society would do? More people will try it if it is legal. More family members will get addicted and worse.

I just can’t make the math work in my head.

Sounds like most of you only want it legalized to kill off the deadbeats and dregs of society. This tells me the most of you want/desire a safe and orderly society that is free of addicts and weaker willed undisciplined people. The most of you want people who are responsible.

I get the survival of the fittest thing but there will be a wake of destruction that may touch your family. Is this what a wise society would do? More people will try it if it is legal. More family members will get addicted and worse.

I just can’t make the math work in my head.

I’d say most folks don’t really want anyone to die but the ones think they have the right to do what they want to do so the responsibility part gets realized down the road and the fallout means nothing by then. The one thinking it’s a great idea are not focused on the pitfalls ahead with family, friends, jobs and quality of life.

Show me a productive drug user thats more successful when using drugs.

Legalize everything and outlaw Narcan, let nature take it's course...!

Easy to say but wait till a child or grandchild gets their hands on the medicine cabinet.

Everyone should keep narcan at home. Things can so south fast and its free at most courthouses. (At least it is around here.)

And yes the idea of legal drugs for recreational use is dumb.

For those who want the government and it's laws to keep them and others safe: why not outlaw booze?

Booze is addictive. It kills people. Drunks hurt and kill people. Drunks commit crimes.

From where I sit the war on drugs aint working. We keep hearing about these arrests but I have not heard of any hospitals being over run with patients in life threatening withdrawal. Too much money being made.

From where I sit the war on drugs aint working. We keep hearing about these arrests but I have not heard of any hospitals being over run with patients in life threatening withdrawal. Too much money being made.

Is the illegality of heroin the only thing holding you personally back from shooting up?

For me personally, it's the whole not wanting to be dead thing that's stopping me. The illegality is irrelevant.

From where I sit the war on drugs aint working. We keep hearing about these arrests but I have not heard of any hospitals being over run with patients in life threatening withdrawal. Too much money being made.

This. the war on drugs congratulations to drugs for winning
Definition of insanity doint the same thing over and over but expecting different results..

Boot lickers, and those taht think the government is here to help or responsible for the people are going to want to be governed harder and give up more freedoms. It's for the greater good and public safty after all.

They are even ok with the controls in the name of other things like food safty. Smiths the words to given and then2nd and all of a sudden it's about rights and freedom to them.

Sad part is they can't see the hypocrisy.

No way should it be easier to get. Such a small dose will kill and the person killed may not even know that’s what killed them.

No way guns should be so easy to get. Just one AR will Kill and people killed may not even know what killed them.

Next time you see some EMTs out at a diner or wherever ask them what is one of the more popular reasons they are called out. If you are in the ER, ask them what is a more popular reason for admission.

Didn't Oregon make all drugs legal? I wonder why they suspended such a grand example of "freedom"?

Hobby You miss the entire point. You obviously are ok with restricting freedom as long as it is in line with your idea.

Every year I get through metal dectors at the stat fair with both knife and gun but am not going to post how.

something else you clearly miss with your what if ignorant hypothetical. Why would anyone need to get inside when they can open up on the heard lined up and packed elbo to elbo at the gate to get in or leaving. Add a lot of people would be hurt and killed being trampled not all shot
Should probably ban knifes and trucks as well.

Don't say that out loud. There be Baptists amongst us.

Over 13,000 people died in 2024 because of drunk driving.

We have laws against drunk driving.

Are we going to outlaw booze, or what?

War on drugs in the PI is working. China too. The same war on drugs advocates here in the U.S. cry loudly that its too harsh. I believe its going to remain a big problem here. Been several good ideas IMO posted. Starting with end welfare. Thats too harsh also for the war on drugs advocates.

Main problem with the war on drugs is that it never went after the source. When we controlled Afghanistan, we could of easily roundup-ed the opium poppy fields there that were the main source of the taliban's income. Why were they not destroyed?

I’ll explain the difference. A bullet has to be forced into your skin, fentanyl can be absorbed through. I can walk into a crowded stadium with a balloon and a teaspoon of fentanyl. Go to the restroom and fill the ballon with tap water, mix the fentanyl in it and return to my seat. Wait for the crowd to stand for that home run and give it a toss.

Your turn, how are you getting the AR in the entrance?

Hobby You miss the entire point. You obviously are ok with restricting freedom as long as it is in line with your idea.

They keep trying to make an argument that taking deadly drugs can be an intelligent responsible action it don’t get any dumber then that! If its your wish, right or however you will try to sell the idea it’s just a poor choice.

So do you folks use in front of your kids/ family so no reason to hide from friends, family and coworkers then. It’s something to be proud and shared with your circle of friends?

People bring up booze and say it see what happened with control of it, right it didn’t work lol
So what makes you daylight wanna be users think that having worse is going to be easier to control ?

Just because some scream we are not free to do what we want or use what we desire , does not mean
You lost any thing , it means humans cant control them selves with certain elements, saying other wise just shows you are partly responsible for others using and have already lost control of their reactions to using !

My opinion is that dope is so easy to get that anyone who wants it is already using.

PF just pointing out how legalization of all drugs was/is a complete failure. The cost associated with "freedom" likely matches the cost of the war on drugs in both money and destroyed lives.

If you want drugs you have them and can get anything you want at any time . Being illegal does nothing to reduce drug use. People are responsible for their choices not the government. And no one can name a single success or positive result from decades on the war on drugs. That says it all .

The crux of all addiction, human beings love pleasure....Sex releases drugs from within the body. (Dopamine, endorphins, etc.)...So does food.

Show me a person who says they aren't addicted to anything, and I'll show you a liar....How you handle that defines your situation, and fate.

Fentanyl use = FREEDOM!!!

What a great libertarian campaign slogan!!!

Loosegoose, a person has that option now. Legal or not a person still has the ability to choose what goes into his/her body. All your bunch is advocating is making it easier to choose. The end result of heavy drug use is the same.

That's like saying a person can choose to chop their AR barrel down to 12" and put in a homemade lightning link now.

Actually, I'd like to make that easier, too. But the folks that oppose that use the same arguments that the drug criminalization folks use.

The gun/drug comparison is a disgusting straw man and weakens your argument to the point of ridicule.

PF you are a great dodge of questions LOL

How can drug free drug use thats addicting not go higher if there is access to unlimited supply of it, whether it's been hidden or not? The case is it's addicting and will cause more problems in the short and long run, this is actually a fact now with controlled use, why wouldn't it go up with open use. Do you believe there is some sort of correlation between hidden use and open use that would slow or stop addiction. I don't see any change other than more addicts having more access to something thats causing everyone problems, such as more addiction, more family troubles, more theft for quick cash to get more, unless you equate more differently than most people do, LOL

I don't know what your not wanting asset forfeiture and victim less crime detention has to do with this, other than both come from being addicted to drugs as well, as a preventive measure to have the addict get off drugs, what is your suggestion to curtail addict's from going back on after a stint in jail ? Slap their face a couple times, or make them go to clinics for staying clean which works maybe 1 out of 8 times ?

Do you feel there should be no result of crimes done by addicts to get funds for more drugs now, or even stealing and selling stolen things for the addiction to have more ? What about when addicts are so wiped out they cause death's to others from their actions same as drinking has done, because it's now regular access does this eliminate cause and affect from the user on some one else ?

This is a very slippery slope to move into, as everyone has seen it with alcohol, not the beer out there however in some cases as well, and it being regulated still in some states and it can't be done to how easy it is to access, at least hard drugs have a more difficult way of access, even though as been mentioned its easy to get, might be in some areas others not so much, however the bottom line is the misuse of drugs that are mind changing and cause people to abstractly be cornered on the source for their needs !

Close.

Getting to choose what you put into your own body, and getting to choose what you don't have to put into your own body=freedom.


Maybe "the government decides what goes into your body, not you!" Could be the next Republican campaign slogan.

and the laws are not functioning to stop or slow drugs use. then the same limiting factors will be in play if it's not illegal.

I'm not sure I believe that. The fact that some people are willing to break the law to use drugs doesn't mean that only those people would use drugs, if legal. They would be easier and less risky to obtain. Do you have any statistics, beyond your "from the porch" observations, to back up that claim?

Lots of people get hooked on opioids because of drugs they were legally prescribed. I don't believe people like Rush Limbaugh were looking to get addicted; they were provided the medicine by doctors to deal with pain, and they became hooked.

bow hunter it IS ILLIEGAL now it stopes nothing. It being illegal was effective we would not have this discussion. Alcohol being illegal created and funded the mob and led to lots of other crimes funded by selling and distributing alcohol.

Drugs being illegal funds the cartels, human trafficking and many other crimes. It also makes the government ton of money and lots of kick backs as well. Money for cops, courts lawyers, for proffit prisons, and on and on.


You can't protect people from themselves. it also blows me away how otherwise intelligent people loose the ability To see cause and effect on one issuer when it mirrors another they take the exact opposite stand on.

Spain and Portugal have both decriminalized user amount possession of drugs. They aren't exactly "legal", but it's an administrative crime, and most cases just get suspended. They still confiscate drugs, and heavily prosecute the trafficking. But, you aren't gonna get in trouble for having a baggie of heroin on you.

In both countries, they have less drug use and drug deaths than in America. They spend far less than America, even with have needle exchange programs, govt rehab etc.



Article about results of drug decriminalization in Spain

Bowhunter whats your plan to slow the flow? When are we going to see hospitals overflowing with life threatening opioid withdrawal? Are you suggesting we adopt the quickly carried out death penalty other countries are using?

What we are doing now aint working. Thats indisputable fact.

So as long as Dr. are doing the pushing and pharma is geting the money its all good? So if its prescribed there is no personal responsibility? is what I take as your stance.

I don't think comparing the USA directly to other countries is particularly instructive, since they have different cultures, demographics, and geography. I'd be more interested in what type of behavior Spain and Portugal saw over time, before and after their policy change. And if they won't arrest people for simple possession, then how are they gathering their statistics? If somebody is arrested for possession, it goes in the police report. If they aren't arrested for possession, where does it get logged?

Well let's make it all legal. That will surely help!!

Double down on failed policy, no alternative solution to present, Want even more money and more laws to support said failed policy. BOWHUNTER you really sound familiar for some reason.