What a freak show. The good news is that anyone will be able to outrun any federal law enforcement. Just buy a moped and keep driving until their battery's run out. I think on average it's about 50 miles. What a joke.


Joe Biden Signs Executive Order to Make All Federal Vehicles Electric

President Joe Biden signed an executive order Monday to phase out the federal government’s use of vehicles that run on gas and replace them with ones that run on electricity.
The process is part of Biden’s “Made in America” executive order, which the president claims will create one million additional jobs in the auto industry in America.

“The federal government also owns an enormous fleet of vehicles, which we’re going to replace with clean electric vehicles made right here in America, by American workers,” Biden told reporters during a briefing Monday announcing his “Buy American” executive order.

But replacing an entire federal fleet of hundreds of thousands of vehicles could be a massive undertaking. TechCrunch reported that, in 2019, the federal fleet comprised of more than 645,000 vehicles, including more than 412,000 trucks and 224,000 passenger cars.

That does not even begin to include the hundreds of thousands of U.S. Post Office vehicles powered by gas, the Verge reported.

Many existing federal vehicles on the road are tied to leases, which could halt the process of transferring them to electric.

There is also the issue of making sure electric vehicles have enough charging stations to provide them with enough power to function.

Automakers likely to supply the country with these electric vehicles include Ford and General Motors, companies that have both said they would commit to spending billions on electric vehicles.

Source: https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2021...rder-make-all-federal-vehicles-electric/

Higher taxes for those paying

And Nancy pelosi and husband heavily invested in Tesla a few months ago ???

He's on crack

Last year carona and masks were the new normal. Now sleepy man executive orders is the new normal.

Infrastructure alone would be a fortune, just where the vehicles are parked at, not to mention where they may travel out of range when needed. There is no ability to change over the equipment used now so there is all new stuff to be bought, guess he is just thinking new employment ?

Always a reason for something like this and it's usually not to help the citizens out any !

They should start by making his chair electric. 400 Volts AC should do the trick.

How do electric vehicles run in cold northern state climates.

Make Air Force 1 electric.

Get all of the crazy stuff out of the way in time for people to forget before the 2022 election.

The electricity generated to power "clean" electric vehicles is mostly generated by fossil fuel fired generating plants, but many liberals are too uniformed to realize this simple fact. Joe, although not a particularly bright person, knows where the power comes from, but he also knows many of his supporters are not that smart and will think he has done a wonderful thing.

China is also the third biggest producer of lithium in the world. Coincidence?

I think they should start with the presidential limo AKA ' The Beast '
That thing is very heavy , built like a tank for good reason. Go ahead , add another ton or two in batteries to its weight.
Bet the range on the enormous weight of that thing with batteries would be limited to within 1 mile of Pennsylvania ave.

Secret Service would have to push it back home.....lol

Don’t forget about marine 1, and what about the military vehicles they technically are federal vehicles, just imagine a tank powered by pure battery power.

We got to save the the the the the , the thing, you know the thing.

He also just handed over access to our power grid to China again!

So you have all of the politicians vehicles, their aides, FBI, CIA, DHS, SS, ATF, EPA, BLM, Customs, Border agents, Federal prisons and all of that transportation, Post office and I'm sure many others. It's going to be well over a million vehicles. The guy in an incompetent nitwit.

Where they gg2 get all the lead necessary to make all these batteries? . . . thoughts to ponder?

I do not know if lithium batteries contain any lead. I do not think they do.

Apparently "toxic chemicals are needed to process lithium and are hazard to the soil and environment."

He has got to be blind

China cause Obammy shutt down the last US lead smelter!!!

Then it would be wise to invest in Tesla Stock now :-)

Very much so. That is one of the reasons they stress recycling them. They are toxic to make and toxic to dump in landfills. But hey, we're saving the earth here.

Don't forget the $5,000 to $8,000 cost to replace the batteries in the Electric Car , once the Batteries wear out and can't be recharged.

A mere pittance when the government is paying for it with your money.

This Earth is only gg2b saved by the grace of God.

But that cost will be offset by the growth in GDP and the people working, hahaha.

Hahaha!!

And put Commie Harris on one knee and Nancy Pelosi on the other.

Maybe they'll decide to change to a nuclear pill, "cold fusion", or baking soda and vinegar.

Give me my V8 engine with glass packs.....anytime.

air force one could go electric , that should work great!

LOL, I'm still jacked about emission crap on my diesel.

Oh, so now ya want to create more noise pollution huh! . . .

I see a lot of closed minds here. Electric is the future, wether you like it or not. Making the federal fleet electric is a good step toward pushing through the infrastructure, as well as giving engineers and scientist more incentive to innovate. Just because in your tiny little world view you can’t imagine it being possible, doesn’t mean we can’t make it possible. I suppose all of you who are finding fault with electric vehicles all have electrical engineering doctorates? Chemistry doctorates? You’ve designed, manufactured, and tested all of the different types of electric charging stations, batteries, and power generators like solar, wind, water, etc?

There are people who have studied this stuff intensely for decades whose full time job is to make it viable. It becomes more and more viable every year. Im 100% pro green power, having been an oilfield worker for a decade I would really like to see us advance past our dependency on fossil fuels. We will never get completely away from fossil fuels, but the less we can use the better.

You all gotta stop being afraid of change and embrace it, cause it’s comin wether you want it or not. You can grow with the world or die mad about it and the world will grow without you.

Music to the ears, SJA !

I'm all for EV's as long as they work as good as the combustion engine in the cold country and is priced commensurately

Sorry -made me think of this ...LOL!

All green energy is viable with enough Gov. support.

SWEET! Sharon

. . . and here's my next truck


Eveready Batts . . . yeah, that's the ticket!

Yes , sweet muscle Cah......belongs to friends of mine, but I get to drive it on occasion....they tweaked the engine to just over 500 HP ....runs like a scalded dawg.....

Now thats a truck !

And trucks are what I love and have ...V8 with glass packs....

" I want to live in Montana....and drive a pick up truck " ...... Red October

My "tiny little world view" doesn't see it any time soon.

So since you can’t see it anytime soon, we shouldn’t take steps toward it?

"Red October" . . . and hopefully it won't even have "one ping" in it!

Not with all the synthetic top grade oil and premium fuel I run !

Not with all the synthetic top grade oil and premium fuel I run !

It's not the initial cost of a vehicle as much as the cost of improper maintenance and repairs if ya don't :-)

Anybody know how much Walmart charges to charge up at one of their charging stations? Is it pretty fast to charge up?

That's correct. I believe in spot, on time, best maintenance .

The only electric "plug in" I have is my block heater ! I cannot imagine no power in electric driven rides.

Folks out here need power to haul , carry , and just flat out get to where you are going up and down the Rocky Mountain front passes. Plus the winters play rough with batteries.

I guess this wouldn't be much good out there then would it :-( . . .

Cold really kills them. They wont output as much power, are much slower to charge, can't conserve juice with regenerative braking and if you run the heat can all together lead to about a 40% loss of range.

My biggest problem is the time it takes to charge. You can't just go and fill up. It takes 8-12 hours to charge a tesla. Or if you run out of juice on some rural road you'll have to get towed.

Paul Pelosi bought 25 call options with a strike price of 500 dollars. Total value 1.25 million. Peanuts in the overall scheme of things. He paid between 500,001 and 1 million for the position

Hogwash. It's one thing to try and develop these things and quite another to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The idea is not viable at this point no matter how much you want it to be.

Easy to do when you are spending someone else,s money.

X3 and add the black woman and nancy Pelosi

See, that's just what I mean, that JT detailed.

Won't ever work out here.

SJA a Cah like those you have , would do great on the Big Sky roads ...full bore...but nice things go slow or not at all on gravel side roads -naturally ....and put away in winter. Everyone in the west with the Classics only drive them in summer ! Probably the same rules where you are.

Yup, summertime and good weather cruzin' only.

I will need two wives !!
One will cook rabbits for me and the other one.................will have lead soled shoes to drive some muscle cah from New England

Now that's an American Dream!

Excellent post Bob.

Suck'n gas and haul'n ....

See my shocked face !

My only point izzzzzzzz...............electric Cahs just won't fit into my world of big mountains and horses.... just think of the oil, fuel and power it takes to make the electric stuff anyway.

A very small electric car I'm sure does well in very specific ways-like in the cities ....but not in my world.

Oh boy !!!!! Now THERE'S a Cah ! Go man go, racer man !

Let's go back to horses! . . . a little hay & feed, a good brushin', a warm stable, some lovin' and you'll get from point A > B . . . just maybe a little slower. . . what ya think Sharon?

Bob you mention "they" have been working on the "change for decades and still it's not viable, I'd venture a guess its not for quite a few decades more,

I'm not afraid of change and do welcome less cost for the people to live, however the cars if you have paid any attention to the cost far out weight the regular normal persons wages for a whole year or more, until that changes they are going to use gas vehicles,

There are many problems to overcome yet now that the viability of making an electric car has been thought thru, making a the car go from one place to another comfortably and safely in all weather is a stout obstacle. let alone a carrier of freight and products.

I would venture a guess there needs to be a different power source which lasts longer and is much easier to make before any of this happens. Attaining that is no in research but costs once again over whelm progress.

It probably will come when we all are gone and probably even when our children are grown up as we are now.
If the world is still here then !!

TOOOOO slow !

And in the winters way too cold.

Give me the block heater and a warm cab and 4x4 on the slick roads !

Anyway, it is all too often for them to find an excuse to spook at unforeseen "anomalies on radar , and tend to go runnin back to momma " ....the barn

True, True :-(

Electric cars will never be a viable source for transportation to any great extent. It's not going to be the way except for a very small niche like city dwellers. If people were serious about getting away from oil, the way to go would be hydrogen. Now that is an inexhaustible resource that can replace gas a probably even diesel. It could also be done in relatively short order. However, like most things, the powers that be do not want real solutions.

This includes vehicles launched into space I hope. They sure make a lot of smoke...

Oooooo I think you are waaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyy wrong. I think EV will be a big deal in the not too distant future. There really are no catalysts for fossil fuel vehicles. Between government and technology EV is the wave of the future. The current penetration rate of ev's is tiny but growing rapidly. Can you imagine a jump from 2% to 5% of EV acceptance ? Get on board !!

Should be interesting for fire fighters

I've been an EV sceptic from day one , mostly because of government subsidies and lack luster performance/ reliability

My youngest son (16 ) has been following Tesla and has opened my eyes a bit to some very impressive performance numbers I never imagined an electric motor could produce . I see the major auto manufacturers are scrambling to catch up with Tesla

I'll stay old school though with big gas guzzling trucks

Electric propulsion technology is used in high speed rail .Extremely fast speeds and awesome accelleration.
Europe and Japan have high speed rail networks.China recently built an 8000 mile high speed rail network.Electric propulsion is definitely the future.North America is sadly being left behind.

Electric vehicles are completely viable. Have been for fourtyish years. The limit has always been battery technology. When battery’s catch up with control and motor tech it will happen. Slowly and in populated areas first but it will happen.

Silicone-air batteries will soon take over and change the way we operate (I think)

As far as I'm concerned, the whole thing is an appeasement for aoc and her mental midgets. I bought a new hyndea (korean car, however it is spelled) electric car for the wife to drive the last few years before she retired. What a nightmare! That ting spent months in. the shop, luckly under warranty, and they never got it straightened out. They are going to have to get their act togethera heck of a lot more than they have now, to ever make a pipe dream like this fly. Hybreds are somewhat perfected, but total electric is flat out a pipe dream, especially in the west or north country.

With a very short cord....

Garry-

And 40 years ago you’d have said there’s no way that 99% of the population would be walking around with personal supercomputers in our pockets today. Technology advances exponentially each year. I’m amazed by what the scientific world has achieved even in just my lifetime. Heck just in the last 15 years. I’m old enough to remember when the first phones came out that you could take pictures with, and then surf the internet. I remember the original Oregon trail game on the giant desktop computer. Look at how far we’ve come in just 30 years, you can’t seriously think that in 30 more electric cars won’t be mainstream.

An all electric main battle tank. An all electric mechanized infantry.

Wow. Please don’t post anymore on my threads.

Electric is great as long as the "free" market is allowed to do it. If people want them, fine. The alternative (and the reality) is government subsidizing the whole shebang and telling us we must go along for our own good.

I don't want an electric vehicle. But that doesn't matter much.

What matters when analyzing economics, politics and society in general is what other people want.

Electric vehicles are gaining momentum on all three fronts. And, I don't see it stopping whether you or I like it or not.

If electric vehicles are gaining popularity, let the free market system work. If those vehicles and the infrastructure supporting them become viable then change gradually. Don’t require taxpayers to foot the Bill for upgrading GOVs before its prudent just to appease the greenies. This will be a huge boondoggle and taxpayers will be left holding the bag.

I'm with you Bob. Time marches on and everything changes. We can change too or get left behind. Currently I am an owner of a couple gas powered trucks. I don't believe my grandkids will be. Until I have a better option I'll stick with them, but the better option is indeed coming. I realize it's a much smaller scale but over half the vehicles bought in Norway last year were electric. The number is growing, everywhere.

I remember when LP fueled engines were going to save the world. How many gas stations are around that fill them now? If the government builds the infrastructure to charge the EV fleets it could well be the the opening for the WHO needs to advance. I would bet there will be a lot of openings in EMP research.

The government should NOT be in the business of dictating what fuel to run. Look at the fiasco they have made pushing wind power. Research shouldn't be putting all our eggs into one basket. Thorium generation is an area being ignored IMO. They had working models but weren't getting the results they wanted so it was abandoned. They can even be made to use the spent fuel we are burying now.

The development of high efficiency rotary engines that run on hydrogen would end this issue. That is probably why there is not a huge effort in development. Politicians need problems to push solutions so by nature they don't really want a viable solution. Hydrogen is easy to produce and inexhaustible. Now it does take quite a bit of energy to produce however, a few more nuclear plants and research into efficient technology would solve that problem. Hydrogen would be much like gasoline. You could stop and fill up when needed in a couple minutes instead of hours like electric. Much less infrastructure would also be needed. Tanks and pumps that could be put in every existing gas station much easier than all of the infrastructure you would need for electric charging stations. Hydrogen could pretty much take over as the main fuel source in a few decades. Trouble is that's a solution and politicians don't want solutions.

While we are riding around in death trap electric cars China will still be building more tanks and air craft carriers but keep smoking pixie dust and thinking one day we'll all be living in rainbows and fruit loop cereal commercials.

Not exactly sure what electric vehicle they think is going to pull heavy trailers or even four wheelers around.

Like Solyndra, i image some of Bidens money launderer's suddenly are the owners of electric cars batterys or some start up company in need of gov. funding. Basically same deal as when Obama was in office, a few get filthy rich while millions suffer, that's the communist way though right?

Yup, if there is anyone that is going to benefit from the Biden presidency it's going to be Biden. One thing is for sure, the very last people to benefit will be the American people. We just get to pay the bills.

if it was such a [darn] good idea, they wouldn't have to FORCE it on us.

50 years ago, everything was points ignition and carbs. Electronic ignition came around,and everyone said it was crap, and some of it was, but now everything has it. Now ignition systems don't even have any moving parts. Emissions systems came out, and they were garbage, shops used to advertise that they remove emissions devices. Now everything has it, and you can't even tell. Lots of cars don't actually have an egr valve anymore, it's done through variable cam timing. Fuel injection came out, and mechanics that it was garbage, that it was super hard to work on, but now you wouldn't have it any other way. It's efficient, lasts forever, and there's no fiddling with it.

Gasoline engines are the best thing going right now, but technology advances. 50 years from now, gasoline engines will look as ancient and archaic as points and distributors and carbs do now. They'll still be around, but it'll be old technology.

It's still CRAP it's just that people have been forced to use it. Give me points and a carb any day. The worst thing ever put in a car was electronics. If a car with points and a carb isn't running, there are three things it can be. If your new car isn't running, good luck fixing it without a PHD in electronics. Emission control is also CRAP! Cars run much better without it. You have just been brainwashed over the years to think these things are great.

so, let it evolve...the market will decide "when" it's time to change.

And in the 60's everyone thought we would be flying around in flying cars like the Jetson's by now. Now everything has sensor's from one end to the other and shade tree do it yourself mechanic's is out the window. Have to go a 'certified dealership' to have anything done at 175.00 an hour or more!

IF the technology works people would buy it, not have to be FORCED into it whether it works or not. But i guess we no longer like a free market system, easier to get behind a communist rule system and let our leaders decide what we need and don't need.

Is incredible to me how gullible outdoorsmen are, i expect from the sandal wearing San Fransisco crowd but didn't know we had climate change loving trappers, may as well join the humane society too while your at it, is all the same bunch. One group telling another group what they can and can't do based on what they think everyone should do.

Just more Gov. mandates, cause they know better.

.gov schools have been INCREDIBLY effective at indoctrination.

Now there's a true statement if I've ever seen one.

How are they ever going to charge all those cars? Here in the summer the lights won't hardly come on now.

Garryowen

Im an auto mechanic by trade. I don't have a phd in electronics, though. You don't know what you're talking about. Cars are really much simpler now. Tune up now=spark plugs and air filter. A lot of spark plugs come pre gapped even, and last 100k miles. Back in the 60s a tuneup was replacing the plugs, cap, rotor, wires, points, and condensor, setting timing and dwell, rebuilding the carb, setting float level, setting idle mixture, set high idle and curb idle, adjust choke pulloff and linkage, blah blah blah. If any off it was off the car ran like crap. Now the computer can adjust and you don't even know. I guarantee that if your emissions devices make your car run poorly, they're not working right. If they are, you won't know they're working.

Newer cars are better than older stuff in pretty much every way except style. Newer vehicles are more efficient, safer, to faster, turn better, stop better, and last longer than old vehicles. The average 4 cylinder or V6 econobox makes almost the same power and will last longer than a V8 from the 70s, and it'll last a lot longer, too, with a lot less maintenance.

Just like pickup trucks these days. Used to be that a pickup was a work horse used to haul, tow and build things. They were the working mans workhorse Now they are a fashion statement. 4&6' beds, A/C, leather interiors, automatic everything, heated seats, might as well come with a frou-frou pillow and a pink dress. They turned a pickup truck into a yuppy homo mobile.

My sister had a girl for a room mate at nursing school. Her dad lived about 10 mi from here. When tractors first came out no body wanted their mules that ate year round any more. The old man saw a money making plan to buy up all the mules for cheap, because he was quite sure the tractor thing would flop in short order and everyone would go back to mules. Well after he got vested the mules ate the farm. The trees in his woods was stripped as high as the mules could reach and before the humane society even had a name, they gave him the option to skin them or else.

I hope they can make a deer whistle that works at slow speed, cause I almost got ran down by one of those silent creepers on the church parking lot !

I grew up as an auto mechanic in my fathers garage. I know exactly what I'm talking about. However, I'm glad they dumbed down general maintenance so you can have a job.

Well I don't know what sexual preference has to do with it, that's kinda weird that you'd think you can determine who someone has sex with based on what they drive. But I'd agree that new trucks are weird. I've never understood the 4-6 foot bed thing in a full size truck. A coworker of mine told me he bought an full size cab truck with a 6 foot bed so he could put stuff in the cab. I think he thinks the bed is for decoration.

When was the last time you worked on an electronic problem on a modern vehicle?

Do you like anything? I mean anything.

Ah the memories. Yeah, those were the days. Ya could pretty much fix your own car from adjusting the carb and timing belt, dropping in a rebuilt engine, adding duel Holleys, or Elderblocks and putting in a trannie with a Hurst Shifter and an "8 ball or T handle" . . . and having fun doing all this!

You're not on the list, that's for sure.

I work on my trucks and tractors. I kind of like hooking my code scanner up and figuring out the problem.

It's the 40 year old dozer that kicks my rear on occasion.

Good analysis Jtrap. One of these days we're gonna have an EMP, and your gonna wish you still had a vehicle that ran on a carb and points and condenser! This technology crap is pretty darn fragile, and it can be a solar flare that just makes it go poof. Gone just as fast as coonman!

That makes my list of things that I like.

I was thinking about EMPs driving to work this morning. We could actually solve a lot of problems in this country with a good EMP.

I work on my own stuff all the time. Scan a problem, get a code, look up the code on the net, get an "Idea" what the problem might be. Buy a new expensive part, put it in, get another code because the first code was just a problem from the part that this code is talking about. Buy another expensive part. and so on and so on. Meanwhile, Points and are carb the problem is either fuel, air or spark.

Amen, brother!

How does any back yard mechanic work on electronic problems on any modern vehicle? They have to be hooked up to a computer just to find the problem and most everything is electronic.