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Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! #8421133
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Our favorite Utah Senator is continuing to try ram this down our throats even though 70-80 percent of his constituents oppose it!

Those of you with fence straddling senators, get ahold of them and let them know you don’t want this sold off!! We need some of these red legislators with a real back bone to stick this stuff where the sun don’t shine! This would be just the beginning of the end of public lands as we know them now. Let’s just liquidate our assets RATHER than raise the user fees and loyalty rates for use of these lands. Balance a budget but don’t sell OUR assets ! I’m so stinking fired up by this I better just stop before i say something over the line. This will likely be happening fast so contact TODAY please. We all know most of you alls favorite folk hero will sign off on this in an instant! Happy trapping! ScottW

https://www.energy.senate.gov/services/files/DF7B7FBE-9866-4B69-8ACA-C661A4F18096

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Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: ScottW] #8421143
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If sold would these lands not be on the tax base then? I have stated this before we used to give land to settlers to develop, why not do this now?

Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: Bear Tracker] #8421146
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Originally Posted by Bear Tracker
If sold would these lands not be on the tax base then? I have stated this before we used to give land to settlers to develop, why not do this now?


Because then they become private and an asset to a smaller number of folks to utilize and enjoy…..likely rich and select folks. And you know they’ll play the shell game and NOT likely actually pay taxes.

I guess in your opinion then, you better call your senators and tell them to push this through and liquidate all the public lands for “settlers”. They are actually doing this in the guise of “affordable housing”! They ain’t fooling me! Happy trapping! ScottW

Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: Bear Tracker] #8421156
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Originally Posted by Bear Tracker
If sold would these lands not be on the tax base then? I have stated this before we used to give land to settlers to develop, why not do this now?

I pay taxes on land i bought from the public.


Who is John Galt?
Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: ScottW] #8421261
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Why does the government own 90% of nevada anyway?

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Originally Posted by Bear Tracker
If sold would these lands not be on the tax base then? I have stated this before we used to give land to settlers to develop, why not do this now?

Because I don't want to pay to hunt! The recreational value is worth more than the pittance of money AG producers pay in taxes, that's mostly who would own the sold public land.

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Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: Dirt] #8421271
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Originally Posted by Dirt
Originally Posted by Bear Tracker
If sold would these lands not be on the tax base then? I have stated this before we used to give land to settlers to develop, why not do this now?

I pay taxes on land i bought from the public.

Do you allow the public to hunt and trap on this land without having to ask for permission? No need for an answer. But you can.

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Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: ScottW] #8421299
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The Feds looking to sell 2 million acres of 650 million acres, doesn't seem like much.

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That sets a terrible precedent.

Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: ScottW] #8421307
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A chunk of the Black Hills is suddenly for sale the last couple years not sure when it was privatized but now it’s posted in many places that were public accessible before. Lots are being sold in other places nearby you really notice it if it’s your hunting area I’d say don’t let them sell an acre you can bet the only ones that gain anything will be the politicians while we lose access to public hunting.

How many times in the past have these deal turned out to be just a corruption opportunity for crooks.


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

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Always remember , Any Gov't first interest is its own survival and to further anything that benefits itself. I am in complete agreement with wyo wolfer. Look at how "Cross Threaded" Montana became with the "Hollywood Ranches ", example being Ted Turner... Affordable Housing -Right ! If it ever became housing it would not be for White Americans .

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"be happy with what you got. It's not going to get any better.". George Carlin

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They have already starting to shut down parts of Moab for a Gold mine…..


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Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: Rat Masterson] #8421334
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Originally Posted by Rat Masterson
The Feds looking to sell 2 million acres of 650 million acres, doesn't seem like much.

You believe they would actually stop at 2 million?

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The state should have first dibs on federal land sales if the people of that state want it to remain public ground. I'm sure in counties where these grounds are becoming available that a handful of landowners own the majority of the private land now available. I'm sure these land owners would like to keep it that way and the county control that comes with it. They would likely be against the sale of federal land to the general public.

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Originally Posted by J Staton
The state should have first dibs on federal land sales if the people of that state want it to remain public ground. I'm sure in counties where these grounds are becoming available that a handful of landowners own the majority of the private land now available. I'm sure these land owners would like to keep it that way and the county control that comes with it. They would likely be against the sale of federal land to the general public.



Maybe add conservation organizations being allowed to bid on the land with developing the land not being any option it stinks of corruption.


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Why does the government own 90% of nevada anyway?


I'm guessing you never been to Nevada?


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I don’t think federal lands should be sold. I’m even on the fence about states selling land. I’ve bought a couple pieces of property from the state, but they can’t keep doing it forever or we won’t have any state land (hence why I’m on the fence about it)

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Scott, I won't be calling.

I don't think the federal government should own as much as they do.


"Gold is money, everything else is just credit" JP Morgan
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North Dakota and Texas is a good example.

If the federal government controlled as much land in those 2 states as the do in Nevada we would move much much more reliant on foreign oil and gas.


"Gold is money, everything else is just credit" JP Morgan
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We own it. It’s public land.


Stop over cooking your meat! It isn’t gamey, it’s over cooked!

Gordon Ramsey, maybe…
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Not sure how much private land is "owned" stop paying property taxes and see what happens.

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Originally Posted by DelawareRob
We own it. It’s public land.


Do we really though?

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It’s not “your” land.

I don’t know where people got this notion the fact you’re (sometimes) allowed to trespass on that land for certain reasons makes it “theirs”.

Go build a house on “your” land. See how far you get.

Heck I can’t even hunt on “my” land here without an additional special use permit!

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Originally Posted by Rat Masterson
Not sure how much private land is "owned" stop paying property taxes and see what happens.



True, just renting it from the government


Stop over cooking your meat! It isn’t gamey, it’s over cooked!

Gordon Ramsey, maybe…
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Originally Posted by DelawareRob
We own it. It’s public land.


Do we really though?


Nah not really, we have access to it.


Stop over cooking your meat! It isn’t gamey, it’s over cooked!

Gordon Ramsey, maybe…
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Originally Posted by ScottW
Originally Posted by Bear Tracker
If sold would these lands not be on the tax base then? I have stated this before we used to give land to settlers to develop, why not do this now?


Because then they become private and an asset to a smaller number of folks to utilize and enjoy…..likely rich and select folks. And you know they’ll play the shell game and NOT likely actually pay taxes.

I guess in your opinion then, you better call your senators and tell them to push this through and liquidate all the public lands for “settlers”. They are actually doing this in the guise of “affordable housing”! They ain’t fooling me! Happy trapping! ScottW


You are an over energetic rear end! Shut up you hurt your believed cause!

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Public land is one of the single greatest achievements this nation has ever accomplished. The ability to go where I want, when I want, hunt, fish, trap free of charge, asking no one for permission, on the lands that surround me are an experience that is unique in this world. I’ve been to the states that have very little public land and have no desire to live in area that restricts my movement and ability to recreate on the lands that much. Anyone supporting the sale or transfer of federal public land has no concept of the amount of freedom this jeapordizes in a country where freedom is already dwindling by the day. I have and will continue to urgently ask my senators to remove this language from the reconciliation bill. Fortunately Idaho has a representative who has already strongly opposed these efforts in the house.

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To those who won’t be calling, that’s fine. Or if you want to encourage the liquidation that’s your prerogative and it’s a free country. I just want folks to be aware of what’s happening and really think bout the pros and cons and what matters to you now and in the future.

As is mentioned by others here and in the podcast episode I posted, they could easily generate MUCH more revenue from grazers, mineral, and such……but they have chosen not too. It’s just more crooked politics from every angle. They’re even talking about prioritizing divesting in the “checkerboard” lands….ie, the large tract owners who are losing out by the corner crossing case rulings will be trying to get particular chunks sold off to further limit access.

Trappingthomas, not sure if you’re serious or what but I’m sorry if I said something to truly upset you. I reread everything I wrote and don’t think I crossed the line by any means in any way. If you’re mad I encouraged
someone to give their opinion even though it differs from mine, well I guess that is a bit of hurting my “believed cause”, but if their mind is made up ain’t no sense in me beating a dead horse. I may be a bit of an eager beaver at times, but sometimes I just can’t help myself but get worked up when I think it’s worth the energy.

Boone, the Federal land are much more “mine” than Ted Turners or any other mega tract holders whether they be for conservation or development purposes. So it’s kind of all about perspective to a point.

As far as the Texas and ND examples, I’ve always said we should only be drilling enough to keep the market honest and reasonable and sit on our resources as much as possible.

I know it’s not perfect and nearly everything has pros and cons…….but at least be aware of the situations and fight for what you think is best and make your voice heard. Happy trapping! ScottW

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Originally Posted by kestump
Public land is one of the single greatest achievements this nation has ever accomplished. The ability to go where I want, when I want, hunt, fish, trap free of charge, asking no one for permission, on the lands that surround me are an experience that is unique in this world. I’ve been to the states that have very little public land and have no desire to live in area that restricts my movement and ability to recreate on the lands that much. Anyone supporting the sale or transfer of federal public land has no concept of the amount of freedom this jeapordizes in a country where freedom is already dwindling by the day. I have and will continue to urgently ask my senators to remove this language from the reconciliation bill. Fortunately Idaho has a representative who has already strongly opposed these efforts in the house.


And if you read into the details, they’re exempting Montana lands from this whole deal in an attempt to keep the votes of the two Montana senators. They won’t say that, but that’s the reality. Happy trapping! ScottW

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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Scott, I won't be calling.

I don't think the federal government should own as much as they do.

Wouldn't privitizing public land be something conservative free market people support?


Who is John Galt?
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Originally Posted by wr otis
Why does the government own 90% of nevada anyway?

Exactly!
The public land should have been conveyed to the State upon statehood.


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Originally Posted by wr otis
Why does the government own 90% of nevada anyway?


Because it is uninhabitable ?


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Same thing happening in NM.

Can the manner in which the feds manage and own property be improved? Obviously.

I'm as free market as it gets but this is an incredibly rash, short sighted and bad idea.

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All federal lands will eventually be off-limits to human habitation. It's already happening. The video shows you the future of federal lands. The less land the feds own the better! JMO!

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Originally Posted by Dirt
Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Scott, I won't be calling.

I don't think the federal government should own as much as they do.

Wouldn't privitizing public land be something conservative free market people support?


I think Steve was just saying He surely won’t be calling and giving support as I suggested though he might call and give a vote of support.

BC, I’m actually surprised you feel that way knowing your general train of thought on things, but it’s a good example of a person actually thinking logically about a situation and drawing a logical conclusion. Rash and short sighted is I believe a very accurate description.

I will say, I’m not against very logistical sales of property adjacent to cities for true affordable housing and such. Just not the shenanigans in play and to such a ridiculous level!

I do think many senators will be thinking loooooong and hard about this as they are likely very aware of the level of unhappiness they might get from constituents in the future. Happy trapping! ScottW

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Originally Posted by Spike369
All federal lands will eventually be off-limits to human habitation. It's already happening. The video shows you the future of federal lands. The less land the feds own the better! JMO!


Habitation or use? Very different things. Granted, usability will in all likelihood slowly diminish over time. But limited recreational use is better than no access period for the general public in my opinion. Happy trapping! ScottW

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I don't like it, but can understand some being sold.

With a growing population, we need more energy and raw materials.


There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
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Originally Posted by hippie
I don't like it, but can understand some being sold.

With a growing population, we need more energy and raw materials.


Fair point. We can improve the federal leasing system.

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I enjoy the massive amount of public land where I live. I guess to me it equates to a lot of room to roam which to me means freedom.

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What ever happened to homesteading? I wonder why it was done away with?


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Originally Posted by kestump
Public land is one of the single greatest achievements this nation has ever accomplished. The ability to go where I want, when I want, hunt, fish, trap free of charge, asking no one for permission, on the lands that surround me are an experience that is unique in this world. I’ve been to the states that have very little public land and have no desire to live in area that restricts my movement and ability to recreate on the lands that much. Anyone supporting the sale or transfer of federal public land has no concept of the amount of freedom this jeapordizes in a country where freedom is already dwindling by the day. I have and will continue to urgently ask my senators to remove this language from the reconciliation bill. Fortunately Idaho has a representative who has already strongly opposed these efforts in the house.


Amen brother! Well said.


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I have made my living here on public land and yet I am not so selfish as to block more useful and productive private sales and utilization of these lands that will benefit more people and the country more than just little ole me. This nimbi crap is why the U.S.is not developing. Might as well join Greenpeace.


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The NEPA lawsuits will have this tied up for years--if it happens.

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Looks like my senator is a ring leader. Appears she tried this in 2015. As least she is on the right side of this one issue. Scott, I’ll email her a thumbs up.


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Originally Posted by Dirt
I have made my living here on public land and yet I am not so selfish as to block more useful and productive private sales and utilization of these lands that will benefit more people and the country more than just little ole me. This nimbi crap is why the U.S.is not developing. Might as well join Greenpeace.


I agree.

There's A cost to everything, including growth.


There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
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Originally Posted by Dirt
What ever happened to homesteading? I wonder why it was done away with?

Break it up in 10 acre plots and allow only a one plot purchase per household or corporation.

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Hope it doesn't sell but the fact is that I would guess way less than 1% of Americans are utilizing public land.

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Originally Posted by TurkeyTime
Hope it doesn't sell but the fact is that I would guess way less than 1% of Americans are utilizing public land.


Out west 99% or more of trappers are in that 1%. Just sayin'


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Originally Posted by J Staton
Originally Posted by Dirt
What ever happened to homesteading? I wonder why it was done away with?

Break it up in 10 acre plots and allow only a one plot purchase per household or corporation.

Better prevent resale, or some big player will buy up all those plots before the ink is dry.

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Mi/dnr has their own reality dept. we have a lot of public land and if you look at the plat maps anything with water and access is sold So okay but a large segment of the population doesn't have recreational property so why would they support hunting and trapping


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You don't own your private land the county and state continue to tax it, your just paying rent. Public land as the term goes, the public owns it and what ever the government makes on timber sales, grazing, oil wells coal, recreation fees 25% stays with the county and state where the federal land fees originated as PILT money Payment in lieu of taxes. There are restrictions but good luck getting on private lands unless your rich. How many of you on trappernan have hunted, fished, camped or trapped on public lands without paying a fee. If the feds sell it, your not going to own it even if you could buy it, the land will be sold to corporations and the wealthy 1%. I have spent time in most likely 10 states including Alaska on public lands. Once its gone we wont get it back.

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Is part of conditions of sale that land must be used for housing?

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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
Originally Posted by TurkeyTime
Hope it doesn't sell but the fact is that I would guess way less than 1% of Americans are utilizing public land.


Out west 99% or more of trappers are in that 1%. Just sayin'

I don't agree with the sales but if the vast majority of people don't use it then they don't/won't care.

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My guess is more than 1% come through Wy every year to camp, sight see, fish hunt and enjoy open spaces.

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If I can't trap it I dont care if its sold. CA AZ CO NM NV MN give it to the chinese for all I care.


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Originally Posted by Dirt
What ever happened to homesteading? I wonder why it was done away with?

Less control.

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It's a terrible, short sighted bill. Teddy Roosevelt is turning in his grave. The bill lists3-5 million acres must be sold,
however, it makes 250 million acres eligible. And it's not just about trapping, people. This land has miles of pristine public waters that is great fishing, and millions of acres of public hunting areas. For any outdoorsman and conservationist to support this shows a blind, follow the Leader, sheep mentality.

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they party on and we'll pay their bills.

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ScottW, I’m with you. Public land was set aside by the greatest president in U.S. history, who understood the long-term value this land would provide toward not just recreation, but CONSERVATION. Without this land, the North American Model of Conservation would be lost, along with all the hunting and trapping rights every person on Trapperman enjoys. These dudes don’t get it, don’t want to get it, and won’t ever get it. It’s a selfish mindset.

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15 million acres up for grabs in Wy alone, Im sure the timber companies and coal companies will let you hunt for the right price.

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Coal companies will not be buying timberlands, lol. And if you think timber companies could afford it , I don't think so.

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Originally Posted by Pafoxman
It's a terrible, short sighted bill. Teddy Roosevelt is turning in his grave. The bill lists3-5 million acres must be sold,
however, it makes 250 million acres eligible. And it's not just about trapping, people. This land has miles of pristine public waters that is great fishing, and millions of acres of public hunting areas. For any outdoorsman and conservationist to support this shows a blind, follow the Leader, sheep mentality.


I'm not even American and agree here. Someone will make out like a bandit selling hunting leases though.

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Originally Posted by danvee
15 million acres up for grabs in Wy alone, Im sure the timber companies and coal companies will let you hunt for the right price.

Trapping sure pays better than those two jobs. One coal mine probably supports more families than all the trapping in Wyoming.


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Probably in a week or possibly one day, makes more money.

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Federal land u.s.

I don’t know how fishing,hunting, and trapping can even occur east of the Colorado State line?

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Originally Posted by Dirt
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Scott, I won't be calling.

I don't think the federal government should own as much as they do.

Wouldn't privitizing public land be something conservative free market people support?

No.

Privatizing public land will make us like Europe. Or Texas, where no one can hunt, trap, or recreate anywhere unless they are either rich and pay for the privilige or are employed by the landowner to "manage" the wildlife.

I strongly suspect that the vast majority, if not all of the ground you personally hunt and trap on is public. You obviously don't believe it will happen to you, but these proposal would open the door to all that land being sold and no one but those approved by the buyer being allowed on it.

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Originally Posted by Dirt
Federal land u.s.

I don’t know how fishing,hunting, and trapping can even occur east of the Colorado State line?

Just another difference between east and west American
But we also have state lands to hunt on here in Pennsylvania, 2 million+ acres

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What would really help stop these sales is if more people were affected. Once again I am completely against the sale. In the early 2000's I hunted antelope, elk, and mule deer on public land. Folks out West would not like it but they need more out of state outdoor folks coming in. Federal land is owned by everyone in the US. However a NR Elk tag in MT is $1100 so for your average Midwestern/Eastern deer hunter that hunt is never going to happen even if self guided. Now if they make federal land NR tags cheaper since the whole US is paying to keep them up things might change as more people are affected. Fact is like it or not the vast majority of Americans will not be affected if sales occur, outdoorsman or not. The whole state of WY can be up in arms over the sale but the state of FL has 40x's the number of people who if they go to WY will just hit Yellowstone and Grand Tetons. Say 2000 people from FL hunt in WY every year. That is 0.005% of the population of FL. If WY has 60K NR hunters a year that equates to roughly 0.002% of the US population. Just using WY as an example.

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Originally Posted by Pafoxman
It's a terrible, short sighted bill. Teddy Roosevelt is turning in his grave. The bill lists3-5 million acres must be sold,
however, it makes 250 million acres eligible. And it's not just about trapping, people. This land has miles of pristine public waters that is great fishing, and millions of acres of public hunting areas. For any outdoorsman and conservationist to support this shows a blind, follow the Leader, sheep mentality.

X2!


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Hate to tell you bearcat2, but privatizing public land has been happening to me for over 30 years. It has supported a lot of local and non local economic activity. Hunting has not changed much other than increased opportunity for new landowners to hunt from cabins. Probably more recreational trappers because of this too. Still endless public land to operate on too. It will take decades if not a century before this place even gets close to only 50 percent public land. Much of the public land is worthless.


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Originally Posted by Leroy Bob
ScottW, I’m with you. Public land was set aside by the greatest president in U.S. history, who understood the long-term value this land would provide toward not just recreation, but CONSERVATION. Without this land, the North American Model of Conservation would be lost, along with all the hunting and trapping rights every person on Trapperman enjoys. These dudes don’t get it, don’t want to get it, and won’t ever get it. It’s a selfish mindset.

Greatest? He was the worst till recent times. He gets a lot of credit because of the war and conservation but he was a socialist the rest of his time. He was the original progressive.

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Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB
Originally Posted by Leroy Bob
ScottW, I’m with you. Public land was set aside by the greatest president in U.S. history, who understood the long-term value this land would provide toward not just recreation, but CONSERVATION. Without this land, the North American Model of Conservation would be lost, along with all the hunting and trapping rights every person on Trapperman enjoys. These dudes don’t get it, don’t want to get it, and won’t ever get it. It’s a selfish mindset.

Greatest? He was the worst till recent times. He gets a lot of credit because of the war and conservation but he was a socialist the rest of his time. He was the original progressive.

I think he was referring to Teddy.


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so was SNIPERBBB

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Originally Posted by white marlin
so was SNIPERBBB

Bull Moose party


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If we didn't have teddy, we wouldn't of had Woodrow Wilson and likely never had FDR

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Originally Posted by white marlin
so was SNIPERBBB

Could of fooled me lol. His description sure sounded like FDR. Me personally, I think the Rough Rider was pretty awesome. To each their own I reckon. I don't think any public lands should be sold or messed with, ever!


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Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB
If we didn't have teddy, we wouldn't of had Woodrow Wilson and likely never had FDR

Well that's a Taft twist lol. That'd be an interesting thread!


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So emminent domain to take your house is good but selling it back is bad?

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Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB
So emminent domain to take your house is good but selling it back is bad?

Not really a fair comparison and not how eminent domain is used, they don't sell your house back to you. I'm glad ole Teddy did what he did so I'll say yes, I appreciate what he did and all the reasons behind it. Public lands were set aside for us and should never be sold for any reason including private or political gain.

You know as well as I do that if sold they will be raped and pillaged by the wealthy or good Lord forbid, foreigners. To me, public lands are not a commodity and the US sure ain't that poor to justify selling. It's bad enough that we all experience some sort of loss of access to public lands, think about the precedent it will set to sell off a huge chunk.

If DC follows the Constitution then so be it, nothing to do about it I reckon. I truly can't believe on a outdoor forum people are advocating for the selling of OUR public land. It's a win win for the rich to get richer and a loose loose for all the rest, including the redneck hilljacks like me. I'm sure the federal gov will spend that sale money wisely.


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Lot of rich people hate on this thread?


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Originally Posted by Dirt
Lot of rich people hate on this thread?

Nope, just a lot of truth, gimme your lunch money. grin


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I'll say out loud what we all know. The few people on here that are twisting this issue around to try to make it defensible would be wailing and nashing their teeth if the Biden administration had proposed this. And that's all you really need to know.....

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The Biden administration would never propose this. Bunny huggers love public land. They get to limit use.


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Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: Pafoxman] #8422566
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Originally Posted by Pafoxman
I'll say out loud what we all know. The few people on here that are twisting this issue around to try to make it defensible would be wailing and nashing their teeth if the Biden administration had proposed this. And that's all you really need to know.....


I don’t believe that is true (aside from a few who just like to play the red/blue side game).

And Dirt is right, the Dems as a whole would not push for this.

Either way, I still think it’s a bad play as a whole. It’s very different for a lot of Alaska as there’s SO much public land an unusable parcel here or there is unlikely to make other large tracts landlocked.

Happy trapping! ScottW

Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: Catch22] #8422585
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Originally Posted by Catch22
Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB
So emminent domain to take your house is good but selling it back is bad?

Not really a fair comparison and not how eminent domain is used, they don't sell your house back to you. I'm glad ole Teddy did what he did so I'll say yes, I appreciate what he did and all the reasons behind it. Public lands were set aside for us and should never be sold for any reason including private or political gain.

You know as well as I do that if sold they will be raped and pillaged by the wealthy or good Lord forbid, foreigners. To me, public lands are not a commodity and the US sure ain't that poor to justify selling. It's bad enough that we all experience some sort of loss of access to public lands, think about the precedent it will set to sell off a huge chunk.

If DC follows the Constitution then so be it, nothing to do about it I reckon. I truly can't believe on a outdoor forum people are advocating for the selling of OUR public land. It's a win win for the rich to get richer and a loose loose for all the rest, including the redneck hilljacks like me. I'm sure the federal gov will spend that sale money wisely.

Well said, Catch.

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Originally Posted by Catch22
Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB
So emminent domain to take your house is good but selling it back is bad?

Not really a fair comparison and not how eminent domain is used, they don't sell your house back to you. I'm glad ole Teddy did what he did so I'll say yes, I appreciate what he did and all the reasons behind it. Public lands were set aside for us and should never be sold for any reason including private or political gain.

You know as well as I do that if sold they will be raped and pillaged by the wealthy or good Lord forbid, foreigners. To me, public lands are not a commodity and the US sure ain't that poor to justify selling. It's bad enough that we all experience some sort of loss of access to public lands, think about the precedent it will set to sell off a huge chunk.

If DC follows the Constitution then so be it, nothing to do about it I reckon. I truly can't believe on a outdoor forum people are advocating for the selling of OUR public land. It's a win win for the rich to get richer and a loose loose for all the rest, including the redneck hilljacks like me. I'm sure the federal gov will spend that sale money wisely.

It wasn't meant to be a fair comparison. It was meant to illustrate the absurdity of saying you can't ever sell public land.


I've posted the text of the bill many times elsewhere, someone else can do it here

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Senate's draft budget reconciliation bill doesn’t specify which property would be sold but it requires the U.S. Forest Service and the Bureau of Land Management to offload at least 0.5% of the acreage they manage, and as much as 0.75%.

After all the lawsuits at this pace it will be centuries before we run low on public land. This does not even include NPS and USFW land.


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Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: ScottW] #8423010
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Am I reading that right, less than 1%? That doesn't seem so awful.

There is BLM land that has no use to anyone or any critter. Which makes it worthless, so really what is there to gain by selling it?

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There's a nomination process for a piece of land to be sold and it has to meet the requirements for being sold and the purpose must meet the requirements.

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(2) NOMINATIONS FROM INTERESTED PARTIES.— (A) IN GENERAL.—Not later than 30 days after the date of enactment of this Act, the Secretary concerned shall publish a notice soliciting nominations of tracts of Bureau of Land Management land and National Forest System land for disposal by the Secretary concerned under this section from interested parties, including 25 States and units of local governmen

(B) CONSULTATION.—Before selecting for disposal under this section any tract of Bureau of Land Management land or National Forest System land nominated for disposal under subparagraph (A), the Secretary concerned shall consult with— (i) the Governor of the State in which the nominated tract is located regarding the suitability of the area for residential development; (ii) each applicable unit of local government; and (iii) each applicable Indian Tribe. (C) REQUIREMENTS.—A nomination of a tract of Bureau of Land Management land or National Forest System land for disposal submitted by an interested party under subparagraph (A) shall include a description of— (i) the planned use of the tract of Bureau of Land Management land or National Forest System land; and (ii) the extent to which the development of the tract of Bureau of Land Management land or National Forest System 25 land would address local housing needs (including housing supply and affordability) or any associated community needs. (3) PRIORITY CONSIDERATION.—In selecting tracts of Bureau of Land Management land and National Forest System land for disposal under this section, the Secretary concerned shall give priority consideration to the disposal of tracts of Bureau of Land Management land and National Forest System land that, as determined by the Secretary concerned— (A) are nominated by States or units of local governments; (B) are adjacent to existing developed areas; (C) have access to existing infrastructure; (D) are suitable for residential housing; (E) reduce checkerboard land patterns; or (F) are isolated tracts that are inefficient to manage.

e) FAIR MARKET VALUE.—A sale of a tract of covered Federal land under this section shall be for not less than fair market value. (f) RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL.—The Secretary concerned may provide a State or unit of local government in which a tract of covered Federal land is located a right of first refusal to purchase the applicable tract of covered Federal land for community development purposes, subject to subsection (e). (g) LIMITATIONS.— (1) USE.—A tract of covered Federal land disposed of under this section shall be used solely for the development of housing or to address associated community needs as defined by the Secretary concerned. (2) MAXIMUM TOTAL ACREAGE.—The Secretary concerned shall establish a maximum total acreage of tracts of covered Federal land that a person may purchase under this section. (3) RESTRICTIVE COVENANT.— (A) IN GENERAL.—As a condition of the conveyance of a tract of covered Federal land under this section, the conveyance shall include a restrictive covenant requiring that the tract of 25 covered Federal land conveyed be used for a period of not less than 10 years in accordance with the planned use of the tract of covered Federal land— (i) as described pursuant to paragraph (2)(C)(i) of subsection (c), in the case of covered Federal land nominated under that paragraph; or (ii) as identified by the Secretary concerned, in the case of covered Federal land initially identified for disposal by the Secretary concerned. (B) RIGHT OF ENFORCEMENT.—The United States shall retain a right of enforcement against any use inconsistent with a restrictive covenant included in a conveyance of a tract of Federal land under subparagraph (A). (4) FEDERALLY PROTECTED LAND; VALID EXISTING RIGHTS; OUTSIDE ELIGIBLE STATES.—The Secretary concerned may not dispose of any tract of covered Federal land that is— (A) federally protected land; (B) subject to valid existing rights; or (C) not located in an eligible State.
(5) NUMBER OF TRACTS.—
(A) IN GENERAL.—Except as provided in subparagraph (B), a person may not purchase more than 2 tracts of covered Federal land in any 1 sale under this section unless the person owns land surrounding the tracts of covered Federal land to be sold under this section. (B) EXCEPTION.—Subparagraph (A) shall not apply to a State or unit of local government.





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All ya gotta do is call, the govt has several n types of land for slae.

https://www.usa.gov/real-estate-sales


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https://www.wsj.com/opinion/federal...LW&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

From the article:
"It directs the Forest Service and Bureau of Land Management to sell up to 3.3 million acres from these designated zones. "


Just as a frame of reference....that is about 100,000 acres larger than my trapline


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Land suitable for housing and near a road.

Population growth, your gonna need housing. Here we're losing farm ground at an alarming rate to houses, maybe its that way most places and this is to relieve some of that pressure?

You're also going to need energy for the growth, another thing that good farm ground is going to here. Solar farms going up, and is a major issue for candidates in our local elections as to if they support them or not.

Reality sucks sometimes.


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Here's a link to the most recent Fresh Tracks podcast concerning this topic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YQ8yvLQXPc

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Hunting fishing no mention of trapping. No skin off my nose.


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Originally Posted by hippie
Land suitable for housing and near a road.

Population growth, your gonna need housing. Here we're losing farm ground at an alarming rate to houses, maybe its that way most places and this is to relieve some of that pressure?

You're also going to need energy for the growth, another thing that good farm ground is going to here. Solar farms going up, and is a major issue for candidates in our local elections as to if they support them or not.

Reality sucks sometimes.

A forced reality would be more accurate. One thing is solar plots, solar systems, solar mines, not solar "farms", they do not meet the def of a farm. "Solar farm" is a term used to connect them to nature and they don't belong in nature. They belong on top of buildings, vacant city lots that are left vacant, not utilized for housing, parking garages etc. Industrial solar has no business on land zoned for AG or our public lands, solar destroys wildlife and the ground it's on. Also, the Chinese nor any foreign Country should own any of our soil.

As for population, we grew what, 0.98% last year. Figuring the boomers @ 20% and Xer's @20% I don't see a real surge in population unless they keep the borders open. Plus, everywhere I look there's vacant housing, vacant apartment complexes that aren't being utilized. The Gov has set this up and now tell us hey, it's reality. I digress, if this sale goes through it will be the tip of the iceberg. It will sell to "any interested party", who will take the oil, timber, mine it and move on to the next tract for sale cause hey, it's just reality.


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
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Originally Posted by Catch22
Originally Posted by hippie
Land suitable for housing and near a road.

Population growth, your gonna need housing. Here we're losing farm ground at an alarming rate to houses, maybe its that way most places and this is to relieve some of that pressure?

You're also going to need energy for the growth, another thing that good farm ground is going to here. Solar farms going up, and is a major issue for candidates in our local elections as to if they support them or not.

Reality sucks sometimes.

A forced reality would be more accurate. One thing is solar plots, solar systems, solar mines, not solar "farms", they do not meet the def of a farm. "Solar farm" is a term used to connect them to nature and they don't belong in nature. They belong on top of buildings, vacant city lots that are left vacant, not utilized for housing, parking garages etc. Industrial solar has no business on land zoned for AG or our public lands, solar destroys wildlife and the ground it's on. Also, the Chinese nor any foreign Country should own any of our soil.

As for population, we grew what, 0.98% last year. Figuring the boomers @ 20% and Xer's @20% I don't see a real surge in population unless they keep the borders open. Plus, everywhere I look there's vacant housing, vacant apartment complexes that aren't being utilized. The Gov has set this up and now tell us hey, it's reality. I digress, if this sale goes through it will be the tip of the iceberg. It will sell to "any interested party", who will take the oil, timber, mine it and move on to the next tract for sale cause hey, it's just reality.




You're not counting the 25 million illegals left in the last couple years which equals about 8% growth right there. Go west once, every stink'n hotel we stopped at wad filled up with them.

I call them solar farms because that's where they're going here in the country, and again if you'd take a trip west, you see huge ones.


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I get that hippie! I'd rather they gather up the illegals and ship'em back and keep our public lands. I'd rather see the gov do something about all the vacant properties in the cities to help with housing and slap panels on'em if they want. I'd rather see a build up in the current coal mines we have. I'm not in favor of the gov liquidating our land to fund their personal agendas.

IMO, in 50 years the US won't be the US anymore. The Alpha gen are for the most part girly girls and will adopt the all white flag. I would like to keep as much freedom as possible, for as long as possible and the selling of our public hunting, trapping, and fishing is a loss of freedom.


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
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This subject sure smokes out why ANWR never happened.


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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Scott, I won't be calling.

I don't think the federal government should own as much as they do.

A logical quote from someone from a state that doesn't even allow nonresident trapping. Par for the course.


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Originally Posted by waggler
Originally Posted by wr otis
Why does the government own 90% of nevada anyway?

Exactly!
The public land should have been conveyed to the State upon statehood.

You should go read these states' enabling acts then. They gave up rights to these lands to join the nation. That's their own fault. To those back east saying to sell them, stay home then. We'll be fine out west without your interference.


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Originally Posted by Catch22
I get that hippie! I'd rather they gather up the illegals and ship'em back and keep our public lands. I'd rather see the gov do something about all the vacant properties in the cities to help with housing and slap panels on'em if they want. I'd rather see a build up in the current coal mines we have. I'm not in favor of the gov liquidating our land to fund their personal agendas.

IMO, in 50 years the US won't be the US anymore. The Alpha gen are for the most part girly girls and will adopt the all white flag. I would like to keep as much freedom as possible, for as long as possible and the selling of our public hunting, trapping, and fishing is a loss of freedom.


You and me both, I still say letting them in like that was treason.

Now we have to deal with the reality of it


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Once it's gone, it's gone forever.


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Acquiring public lands

Agencies generally acquire land by:

purchasing the land from a landowner
accepting donations of land from a landowner
exchanging federal land for privately-owned land or other property, such as timber
In FY 2013-2017, the 4 agencies used LWCF appropriations to acquire more than 850,000 acres—mostly within the boundaries of their land units. For example, federal land can encompass land that’s owned by other entities.


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Originally Posted by ScottW
Originally Posted by Bear Tracker
If sold would these lands not be on the tax base then? I have stated this before we used to give land to settlers to develop, why not do this now?


Because then they become private and an asset to a smaller number of folks to utilize and enjoy…..likely rich and select folks. And you know they’ll play the shell game and NOT likely actually pay taxes.

I guess in your opinion then, you better call your senators and tell them to push this through and liquidate all the public lands for “settlers”. They are actually doing this in the guise of “affordable housing”! They ain’t fooling me! Happy trapping! ScottW


He asked a simple question and instead of thinking about his points you automatically go on the attack. And act like he is for it when he is just asking questions and making valid points.

Sad when a discussion can't even be had on a trapping website without this. No need to read past what 3 post.

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Originally Posted by Muskrat
Once it's gone, it's gone forever.



Pretty much the way I see it. There’s always a remote chance it can “come back” or be returned so to speak, but we all know the probability of that. Happy trapping! ScottW

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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Hunting fishing no mention of trapping. No skin off my nose.


If you’re referring to the podcast, just know that Randy Newberg is a very strong and influential proponent of trapping and does have trapping on his channels a fair amount. He is also a very strong and well respected proponent of the North American Model of wildlife management and predator management. Just an FYI before you totally wrote off what they said and happened to not mention trapping. Happy trapping! ScottW

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Originally Posted by Muskrat
Once it's gone, it's gone forever.



our state continues to buy land.

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The total federal acreage decline (shown in Table 3) is a composite of various decreases in acreage in 15 states and increases in acreage in 36 states (including the District of Columbia). A reduction in federal lands in Alaska was a major reason for the total decline in federal lands since 1990. As shown in Table 4, federal land declined in Alaska by 23.0 million acres (9.4%) between 1990 and 2018. As noted, this decline in Alaska is largely the result of the disposal of BLM land under Alaska-specific laws. Specifically, from 1990 to 2018, BLM land in Alaska declined by 21.1 million acres (22.8%).
Since 1990, federal land also has decreased in the 11 contiguous western states, by 10.7 million acres (3.0%). Reflected in the overall decline are reductions for 6 of the 11 states, with decreases of 6.3 million acres in Arizona, 3.7 million acres in Nevada,41 and smaller decreases in four other states. Five of the 11 states each had increases ranging roughly from 0.2 million acres to 0.5 million acres, with the largest being 0.5 million acres in Colorado.
39 The 19.8 million acre figure used here includes land worldwide, more than 97% of which is in the United States. The


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PF,

I’m sorry if that seemed attacking, I thought it was pretty casual and I’m attacking. I just didn’t feel the need to answer the question at the moment as I felt the answers were fairly obvious. FYI, I did read it and think of his points.

I think this has been a great and important discussion and I wish I could participate more but I just don’t have the time to write page upon page on it all though I’m trying to stay somewhat engaged since I was the OP. Happy trapping! ScottW

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Wild lands are worth preserving for the sake of wilderness (even if that wild land is desert and sagebrush). A short 200 years ago, almost the entire continent was wild land with an abundance of wildlife such that it amazed the explorers that traveled through those wild lands. Now, in 2025, the furthest you can get from a road in the lower 48 is 18 miles.

That's not to say I think the feds should or shouldn't own it. I don't really care who owns wild land, as long as it stays wild and free to access.

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Let’s sell it to the Chinese. Basically the premise for those who don’t want government owning land. No more WMA s, lakes are sold, Parks, National Forests . Do we really need every acre in this country farmed, devolved for housing, made into resorts,? It would seem to me of all the government waste in this country this issue would be pretty low on the totem pole. For guys who like row trapping maybe sell the ditches by States would be another way to save money?


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Originally Posted by hippie
Land suitable for housing and near a road.

Population growth, your gonna need housing. Here we're losing farm ground at an alarming rate to houses, maybe its that way most places and this is to relieve some of that pressure?

You're also going to need energy for the growth, another thing that good farm ground is going to here. Solar farms going up, and is a major issue for candidates in our local elections as to if they support them or not.

Reality sucks sometimes.

A lot of it is people leaving big cities. The trend began during Covid, now it’s happening more and more. People have realized cities suck, the problem is when they relocate they bring the city with them. South Park did an episode about it, it was wildly accurate. I’m glad I bought real estate when I was younger (not that I’m old now, I was just apparently a wise man at 18-20 years old) because now land around here has skyrocketed because of people migrating from Washington, California, and Oregon (in that order it seems)

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Originally Posted by AK Timber Tramp
Originally Posted by hippie
Land suitable for housing and near a road.

Population growth, your gonna need housing. Here we're losing farm ground at an alarming rate to houses, maybe its that way most places and this is to relieve some of that pressure?

You're also going to need energy for the growth, another thing that good farm ground is going to here. Solar farms going up, and is a major issue for candidates in our local elections as to if they support them or not.

Reality sucks sometimes.

A lot of it is people leaving big cities. The trend began during Covid, now it’s happening more and more. People have realized cities suck, the problem is when they relocate they bring the city with them. South Park did an episode about it, it was wildly accurate. I’m glad I bought real estate when I was younger (not that I’m old now, I was just apparently a wise man at 18-20 years old) because now land around here has skyrocketed because of people migrating from Washington, California, and Oregon (in that order it seems)


I hear ya.
I was raised within a 1/4 mile of where I live now, reality is,

The fields behind my house were farm ground until about 30 years ago, we hunted them and could shoot that direction without worry. Now its houses and a campground.

The farm next to it is over half gone, houses and businesses.

Use to be able to walk to hunt anything Pa. had to offer, now were boxed in by a 4 lane Hwy and houses in every field. When I got my drivers license, most roads but the main ones were dirt, now all paved. You could drive around and pull over to shoot groundhogs at any field you came to, now if the house isn't in the field, its inside the woods you'd be shooting towards.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the population is growing and they gotta live somewhere and the great river bottom farm ground around here is disappearing faster than I ever thought possible.


There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
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I love the emotional rhetoric on this thread. Trappers and the center for biodiversity working together.Public enemies

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Originally Posted by Dirt
I love the emotional rhetoric on this thread. Trappers and the center for biodiversity working together.Public enemies

It’s not illegal or uncommon to have commonalities and similar beliefs on some things as our “enemies” whether it pertains to trapping or anything else.

I think it’s a positive thing to find a common ground and show some folks on the “other side” that we aren’t all bad! I know, it’s somewhat lip service and they’re gonna stab us in the back next chance they get, but I still believe it’s nice to come together in some way shape or form to benefit all, even if the benefit is only temporary (I.e.- maybe restrictions are put on the land down the road).

Folks can rag on the public lands and restrictions all they want, but its a trade off as once it’s private you generally have to work to TRY have any access whether it’s free or pay to use etc. Happy trapping! ScottW

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I can agree I hate to see it happen, but I also take reality into consideration.

The population has doubled since I was born if you add the 20 some million illegals to the population, think about that.



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Selling public land and stating its for affordable housing is a joke, the proponents have no idea of what the cost would be to develop the infrastructure to build homes and then the folks that buy the lots need jobs. Your better off tearing down the slums and putting factories in those areas for people to work. Most of the western lands are better suited to wildlife and recreational use. Some areas are all ready used to extract lumber, coal, oil, minerals and are used for grazing leases. Royalties are paid to the government and and 25% of the fees stay with the state in the form of PILT payment in lieu of tax money to the state and counties. So public land creates jobs, and tax money for the federal government and state well providing recreational opportunities for the public.

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Fastest growing states

Look at AZ,UT,NV,ID


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PF,

I’m sorry if that seemed attacking, I thought it was pretty casual and I’m attacking. I just didn’t feel the need to answer the question at the moment as I felt the answers were fairly obvious. FYI, I did read it and think of his points.

I think this has been a great and important discussion and I wish I could participate more but I just don’t have the time to write page upon page on it all though I’m trying to stay somewhat engaged since I was the OP. Happy trapping! ScottW


It's good. to be honest the last few days I have been as friendly as a rabid coon so easily could have taken it wrong.

I understand the emotions and am conflicted myself. On one side it's nice to have land everyone can use and enjoy. Not all locked down by the rich. On the other the government has been stealing and selling or giving land away from the start.

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Originally Posted by sneaky
Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Scott, I won't be calling.

I don't think the federal government should own as much as they do.

A logical quote from someone from a state that doesn't even allow nonresident trapping. Par for the course.


If you knew Steven at all, you would know he's very much in favor of allowing NR trapping in MN. And then in the next post you tell everyone to stay home and not come to "your" west, LOL.


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Originally Posted by Dirt
Fastest growing states

Look at AZ,UT,NV,ID

Yep. Why on earth would we want to get rid of our public lands to bring even more people in?

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In Nebraska the gubmint is good at using public money to buy land, then lease it out for grazing to make more money from it. They're good at burning grassland about time for ground nesting birds to start nesting. Just so there's better pasture for the cows.
In Cherry County there is Halsey National Forest. Most of it was grassland to begin with. Then they went in and cut out all the cedar trees and russian olive and burned them. All to make better pasture for the grazing leases. Using taxpayer money to buy land then leasing it out for grazing rights. Just not right.


Life ain't supposed to be easy.
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Originally Posted by bearcat2
Originally Posted by Dirt
Fastest growing states

Look at AZ,UT,NV,ID

Yep. Why on earth would we want to get rid of our public lands to bring even more people in?

Exactly! Our population is not booming other then illegals. There's plenty of city housing not being utilized, y'all wanna put them up, put'em up there. I'm not taking the argument for our Grandbabies cause let's face it, they're France wavin the white flag. Let's keep what we got, keep as much freedom as long as we can till we kick it!


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
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Originally Posted by Gary Benson
In Nebraska the gubmint is good at using public money to buy land, then lease it out for grazing to make more money from it. They're good at burning grassland about time for ground nesting birds to start nesting. Just so there's better pasture for the cows.
In Cherry County there is Halsey National Forest. Most of it was grassland to begin with. Then they went in and cut out all the cedar trees and russian olive and burned them. All to make better pasture for the grazing leases. Using taxpayer money to buy land then leasing it out for grazing rights. Just not right.

X2! Here in Ohio the DNR has shifted to Lodges, camping, hiking, bird watching, etc. Those of us that hunt, trap, fish, pay for our license, permits, stamps etc but they fund their anti agenda with our money. Why doesn't the hikers and such have to buy permits to fund their own adventures. I'm all for everyone enjoying nature how they want to but dang if I don't see the direction they're going.

The nay sayers on this thread are thinking boy who cries wolf but when it touches them, takes food off their table, they'll be crying wolf.


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
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I,m looking forward to you guys getting down to zero population growth. Gonna be hard to fund those two ponzi schemes SSA and Medicare without increasing numbers of working contributors.


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Originally Posted by Dirt
I,m looking forward to you guys getting down to zero population growth. Gonna be hard to fund those two ponzi schemes SSA and Medicare without increasing numbers of working contributors.

I'm in my mid forties, I've assumed since my early twenties that I would never see any SSA or Medicare money. Frankly I'm surprised that ponzi scheme has gone as long as it has.

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Originally Posted by Catch22
Originally Posted by Gary Benson
In Nebraska the gubmint is good at using public money to buy land, then lease it out for grazing to make more money from it. They're good at burning grassland about time for ground nesting birds to start nesting. Just so there's better pasture for the cows.
In Cherry County there is Halsey National Forest. Most of it was grassland to begin with. Then they went in and cut out all the cedar trees and russian olive and burned them. All to make better pasture for the grazing leases. Using taxpayer money to buy land then leasing it out for grazing rights. Just not right.

X2! Here in Ohio the DNR has shifted to Lodges, camping, hiking, bird watching, etc. Those of us that hunt, trap, fish, pay for our license, permits, stamps etc but they fund their anti agenda with our money. Why doesn't the hikers and such have to buy permits to fund their own adventures. I'm all for everyone enjoying nature how they want to but dang if I don't see the direction they're going.

The nay sayers on this thread are thinking boy who cries wolf but when it touches them, takes food off their table, they'll be crying wolf.



You don't want hikers and bird watchers buying permits. At least not for DoW land. Then they'll have an argument to have a day in wildlife policy.

You're not going to get legislature to pass anything on making hikers get a permit. Been there done that

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Idaho's senators have come out against this bill. It is a good thing since we are selling our state lands off to the rich as fast as possible. It is getting harder and harder to access Priest Lake because the state lots are being sold to the rich for million dollar homes. Some of the places I used to ice fish for lake trout are now unaccessable, unless you have a snowmobile, because the nearest access is to far to walk. Keep our public lands public.


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Originally Posted by bearcat2
Originally Posted by Dirt
I,m looking forward to you guys getting down to zero population growth. Gonna be hard to fund those two ponzi schemes SSA and Medicare without increasing numbers of working contributors.

I'm in my mid forties, I've assumed since my early twenties that I would never see any SSA or Medicare money. Frankly I'm surprised that ponzi scheme has gone as long as it has.


It will be about more than SSA and Medicare, the basis of our economy and fiat currency requires population growth whether we like it or not.

It's good to have public land for public use. How much is enough and how much is too much?

MN is in the neighborhood of 24 percent. That's enough.


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I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
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That's a shame. I wanted to buy some cheap Fed land in Nevada so they would finally let me trap bobcats


Gotta live up to the nickname...
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Originally Posted by Catch22

A Harry Reid appointee parliamentarian stripped it and a Republican held senate unwilling to overrule her. The Swamp came through for y'all boys!
If I heard right, I think she even stripped a measure to defund Sanctuary cities. Do your happy dance !!!

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Ain’t over yet. Sounds like he’s modifying it and continuing to push but I still don’t trust him and know this is just the beginning and sadly this is likely to keep coming up so long as he’s in power. It’d be one thing if they provided a map of the lands they’d like to sell but he says that’s too complicated. I see the Sportsmen’s alliance is on it hard too with emails and info.

Happy trapping! ScottW

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Originally Posted by Steven 49er


It will be about more than SSA and Medicare, the basis of our economy and fiat currency requires population growth whether we like it or not.

It's good to have public land for public use. How much is enough and how much is too much?

MN is in the neighborhood of 24 percent. That's enough.





All I’m hearing from anybody that agrees with this proposal language is “I hate too much access for hunting, fishing, trapping, etc.” “It doesn’t affect me so I don’t care” lol how selfish, lazy, and just plain dumb

Why is this the first move if we need housing? Dirt, look up how many acres are owned by foreign corporations or foreign governments. We can’t guarantee they’re paying taxes, so it would seem we could solve two problems there.

Federal agencies already have a process for buying and selling land. Typically, land management agencies make moves in the name of increased public access. These processes allow input from the public rather than unilateral decision-making.

Any other terrible excuses for giving up our freedoms?

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I am selfish, lazy, and just plain dumb. If I cant trap it I dont care.


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Lol here we go again, Danny. I would dare to say that allowing the federal government to sell public lands in the name of ‘reducing our federal debt’ would be a lot like giving up liberty for temporary safety. Even though you’d be losing liberty with no gain since the money from the sale would never be used to pay down the federal debt.

I’ll concede that I’m okay with SOME lands being sold. I’m sure there’s acreage in every state that could be approached thoughtfully. But how is selling off millions of acres the first choice for reducing debt, finding space for housing, increasing tax base, and so on? There’s NO other options?

It’s incredibly lazy, selfish, and dumb for any number of outdoorsmen to support this and hope to continue the things they love. And if you’re too old to care? Consider future generations. My son will be an outdoorsman and I hope he gets to enjoy the public lands like I do.

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I don’t care. I’m not going to advocate one way or the other if I can’t use it anyway.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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New version of the bill since the first one didn't meet requirements to be on the budget bill.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/scaled-back-version-sen-mike-215030820.html


There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
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Certainly a more thoughtful approach, but there’s still vague language in that bill to be proposing 1.2 million acres become available. Again, these agencies are already making decisions like this, albeit at a slower pace and smaller scale because it’s run through a NEPA decision.

I bet foreign governments/companies own more than 1.2 million acres that meet those criteria. Why give up public land so they can continue to exist here?

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Originally Posted by danny clifton
I don’t care. I’m not going to advocate one way or the other if I can’t use it anyway.


“You are either with us, or you are with the terrorists” - George W

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I never did like JR much


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Population growth.

Would you have been against the land give away in 1889? It was for the same purpose, expansion.


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Do you think it’s even remotely reasonable to compare 1889 to 2025?

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Yes,
More people is more people, gotta live somewhere.


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Originally Posted by Leroy Bob
Do you think it’s even remotely reasonable to compare 1889 to 2025?


It didn't in 1880's, ya know...try 1980s.


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Selling off a bunch of public lands (while setting the precedent for all to be sold) is the one and only solution?

No opportunities for going vertical? No way to redo abandoned buildings? Remove foreign ownership? Nothing else?

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With both private or public lands, access can/is restricted. The only difference is you still have to pay for public ground, regardless of restrictions.

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https://sportsmensalliance.org/news/senator-lee-no-means-no-on-public-land-sell-off/

Sportsman’s Alliance is well known for having our backs. If they are against selling public lands, it carries a lot of weight with me.

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All the western land that had water available to irrigate to grow crops and feed livestock and for human use was homesteaded. These lands were also the best winter range for big game. What was left became BLM and Forest land. Every housing development squeezes out the game. The federal lands they want to sell for housing will further erode critical deer and elk wintering areas and eliminate public access for recreation. The people that will likely benefit the most are big developers (CAMPAIGN DONARS!) and politicians. I am opposed to the sale of even one acre and told my Representative and Senators today


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Selling federal lands in the name of affordable housing sounds an awful lot like the Affordable Care Act and the Inflation Reduction Act (which were both the exact opposite but sounded good).


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Originally Posted by J Staton
With both private or public lands, access can/is restricted. The only difference is you still have to pay for public ground, regardless of restrictions.


Let me know where I can get some of the free private ground you’re talking about!

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Can always do this to the last pieces of farm ground around here. Talk about losing rights..

https://www.agweb.com/news/business...minent-domain-replace-affordable-housing


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No surprise its New Jersey


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I live in a county that is made up mostly of national forest. One of the poorest counties in Arkansas. Funny thing is I don't trap it, only trap private ground. Didn't cost me nothing to obtain access other than permission from the owner. Although I don't use the public land available for access, I still pay for its maintenance with taxes. With the private land that I can't access, I pay nothing for its maintenance.

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Originally Posted by Leroy Bob
Selling off a bunch of public lands (while setting the precedent for all to be sold) is the one and only solution?

No opportunities for going vertical? No way to redo abandoned buildings? Remove foreign ownership? Nothing else?


We could force ranchers or whoever owns what little private ground there is out there to sell a couple lots.


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Originally Posted by J Staton
I live in a county that is made up mostly of national forest. One of the poorest counties in Arkansas. Funny thing is I don't trap it, only trap private ground. Didn't cost me nothing to obtain access other than permission from the owner. Although I don't use the public land available for access, I still pay for its maintenance with taxes. With the private land that I can't access, I pay nothing for its maintenance.


We’re ALL paying for that same public ground. We pay for maintenance on over half a billion acres and I’ll guarantee we wouldn’t pay any less taxes if they sold a bunch of it.

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IMO, the Federal government should only own the land that comprises Washington DC, military bases, infrastructure(highways/interstates), and the lots on which federal buildings occupy. All the rest should be owned by the state or the people.

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Originally Posted by Dan Barnhurst
Selling federal lands in the name of affordable housing sounds an awful lot like the Affordable Care Act and the Inflation Reduction Act (which were both the exact opposite but sounded good).

Sure does. Some senators buddies or family will get rich off the deal at taxpayers expense. But that's nothing new.

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Originally Posted by J Staton
IMO, the Federal government should only own the land that comprises Washington DC, military bases, infrastructure(highways/interstates), and the lots on which federal buildings occupy. All the rest should be owned by the state or the people.


The Wilderness Society opposes selling public lands.

Alyeska Pipeline Service Co. v. The Wilderness Society-- [22] This U.S. Supreme Court case involved the Alyeska Pipeline, which runs from the north to the south in Alaska. The Wilderness Society wanted to stop construction on the pipeline. They argued that it would damage the environment and violate the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA). The Supreme Court ruled in favor of the Alyeska Pipeline Company. This allowed the pipeline to proceed with its construction.

Successfully persuaded the government to protect sensitive habitat for caribou and other wildlife in the National Petroleum Reserve-Alaska from oil and gas drilling, and helped move a bill to Congress to protect the coastal plain of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge;

These are the people who will eventually control your public lands.


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Maybe. These last few weeks we’ve seen the influence and impact “we the people” can have when we stand up for the things we want and believe.

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Originally Posted by Leroy Bob
Selling off a bunch of public lands (while setting the precedent for all to be sold) is the one and only solution?

No opportunities for going vertical? No way to redo abandoned buildings? Remove foreign ownership? Nothing else?


The U.S. should do this. I want to watch the Government steal or force my neighbors to give up their property. They already got treated like crap during covid.


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Originally Posted by Leroy Bob
Selling off a bunch of public lands (while setting the precedent for all to be sold) is the one and only solution?

No opportunities for going vertical? No way to redo abandoned buildings? Remove foreign ownership? Nothing else?

Quite literally in many areas you cannot go vertical. That's one of the reason housing in Los Angeles is so expensive and non-existent is that multi-story buildings are basically banned.

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Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

Quite literally in many areas you cannot go vertical. That's one of the reason housing in Los Angeles is so expensive and non-existent is that multi-story buildings are basically banned.


I’d bet there’s plenty of abandoned buildings to be refurbished in LA. That’s if the Santa Ana’s don’t wipe the slate clean first.

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Originally Posted by danny clifton
I don’t care. I’m not going to advocate one way or the other if I can’t use it anyway.

Why can't you use it? The rest of us that are against it don't want the public lands we use sold off. What makes you special so you can't use the public lands the rest of us do?

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ID and WY are the only two states left. FWIW the senate has tossed out the BLM / Forest sale part of the BBB. The debt increase is still there. Why should I care about states that wont let me trap BLM or Forest?

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Originally Posted by danny clifton
ID and WY are the only two states left. FWIW the senate has tossed out the BLM / Forest sale part of the BBB. The debt increase is still there. Why should I care about states that wont let me trap BLM or Forest?

Danny you can trap Utah Oregon Montana Arizona both North and South Dakota Nebraska Kansas.
The list goes on. Each state makes the decision as to weather you can trap public land. Not the federal government. Would you want your state of Kansas to sell of its little bit of grass lands, public recreation arias and parks so they can produce more tax revenue for the Government to plunder.


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Originally Posted by Giant Sage
Originally Posted by danny clifton
ID and WY are the only two states left. FWIW the senate has tossed out the BLM / Forest sale part of the BBB. The debt increase is still there. Why should I care about states that wont let me trap BLM or Forest?

Danny you can trap Utah Oregon Montana Arizona both North and South Dakota Nebraska Kansas.
The list goes on. Each state makes the decision as to weather you can trap public land. Not the federal government. Would you want your state of Kansas to sell of its little bit of grass lands, public recreation arias and parks so they can produce more tax revenue for the Government to plunder.


But that's NOT what they want to sell.


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I am done arguing. I just don’t care. You want to trap the states you mentioned with their absurd rules then have at it


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Originally Posted by hippie


But that's NOT what they want to sell.

That's exactly what they're selling. 0.5% of BLM and NF land. I posted that part of the bill earlier.

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The land grab is not over keep your eyes peeled it will come back soon.

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I enjoy trapping. Trapping is important.

However, whether or not someone thinks he can or cannot trap in another state has absolutely nothing to do with the stupid decision to sell off those federal lands to pay for that big, bad piece of crap of bill.

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Don't worry BC the Reid appointed parliamentarian is strpping it down much more than just this. Like stopping welfare for illegals. Thune refuses to override, Swamp wins again with the help of western state "conservatives" and their constitutes.

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Originally Posted by J Staton
Don't worry BC the Reid appointed parliamentarian is strpping it down much more than just this. Like stopping welfare for illegals. Thune refuses to override, Swamp wins again with the help of western state "conservatives" and their constitutes.


Yep, can't even throw able bodied childless bums off medicaid so your fence builders are safe. Lol.

The swamp at its best,
Throw out anything that may save tax payers and keep what keeps bums on our dime.

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Y'all pretend you're more anti welfare than me. LOL.

Wish suppressors and SBRs stayed. Now the dummies need to do it right.

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Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB
Originally Posted by hippie


But that's NOT what they want to sell.

That's exactly what they're selling. 0.5% of BLM and NF land. I posted that part of the bill earlier.

No way would they stop there.

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"Additionally, the Founders believed that the protection of property rights was essential for economic development and the overall prosperity of the nation. They recognized that secure property rights encourage investment, innovation, and entrepreneurship, which are vital for a thriving economy. By ensuring that individuals could reap the benefits of their labor and investments, the Founders aimed to create a society where people had the incentive to work hard and contribute to the common good.

In summary, the Founding Fathers wanted private property because they viewed it as a fundamental natural right, essential for individual liberty and independence. They also recognized its practical benefits in promoting economic productivity and social stability, and they sought to protect it through constitutional safeguards to prevent government abuse and ensure the long-term prosperity of the nation."



"When Marxists speak of private property under capitalism, it refers to the tools of production that should be owned by all of society, such as factories, lands, stores, mines and all those things that are gifts of nature or are built by many people over many centuries, but are now being monopolized by a few. These few don’t concern themselves with how many years of human labor went into their creation, just so long as they alone can reap profits from legal ownership of that property."

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But that's not the land they want to sell

Just like Gun laws, trapping laws give m an inch and the next thing you know snow ball.


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Dirt, there’s plenty of economic drivers through public land so I would argue that’s a very shallow point that you’re making. The timber industry is fueled heavily in certain regions by the Forest Service, oil and gas leases on BLM, National parks bring in tons of revenue for the DOI and businesses under concession, so on and so on. Selling it to private land does NOT guarantee sustained economic activity.

Are you saying that public land is inherently Marxist?

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I think that is what Marx is saying. There were no Marxist ideas in 1789. It is all scale. 10 percent federal land in the east still allows for a 90% private sector economy. 50 to 90 % Federal land in the west precludes local control and hinders a private sector economy and economic growth in general. Natural parks will never be sold. More National parks will likely be created though. National Parks where hunting and trapping will not probably be allowed. BTW there are many National Parks and Wildlife Refuges that are money losers.


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It's claimed that the park systems generate around 55 billion dollars in economic activity around the parks nationwide I'm always leary of those kind of numbers. I'm sure some areas like Williams AZ probably wouldn't exist without the grand canyon but parks like the Smokies with everything around Gatlinburg, Cherokee, pigeon forge and Sevierville it's, the park is an afterthought .

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Originally Posted by Dirt
I think that is what Marx is saying. There were no Marxist ideas in 1789. It is all scale. 10 percent federal land in the east still allows for a 90% private sector economy. 50 to 90 % Federal land in the west precludes local control and hinders a private sector economy and economic growth in general. Natural parks will never be sold. More National parks will likely be created though. National Parks where hunting and trapping will not probably be allowed. BTW there are many National Parks and Wildlife Refuges that are money losers.

Might not if been Marxism then but in ye olden days if you didn't have a title, or wealthy, you basically couldn't own land . It was more like the share cropper era.

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In the three decades that I worked for the American public in both the BLM and US Forest Service the only commercial use of public land that paid its' way and made money for the public was the oil and gas industry. All other commercial uses were subsidized by and a net loss to the American taxpayer. US Congress members of both parties sold out the public to special interests a long time ago and continue to do so.

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Originally Posted by coytrpr
In the three decades that I worked for the American public in both the BLM and US Forest Service the only commercial use of public land that paid its' way and made money for the public was the oil and gas industry. All other commercial uses were subsidized by and a net loss to the American taxpayer. US Congress members of both parties sold out the public to special interests a long time ago and continue to do so.


Is that the fault of public land or elected officials?

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The Land Ordinance of 1785 was adopted by the United States Congress of the Confederation on May 20, 1785. It set up a standardized system whereby settlers could purchase title to farmland in the undeveloped west. Congress at the time did not have the power to raise revenue by direct taxation, so land sales provided an important revenue stream. The Ordinance set up a survey system that eventually covered over three-quarters of the area of the continental United States.[1]

The 1785 ordinance laid the foundations of land policy until passage of the Homestead Act of 1862.

The Homestead Act was effectively ended in 1976 with the passage of the Federal Land Policy and Management Act, which stated that "public lands be retained in Federal ownership".
This act repealed the Homestead Act in the 48 contiguous states. However, homesteading was still allowed for another decade in Alaska, until 1986.

The last claim under this Act was made by Ken Deardorff for 80 acres of land on the Stony River in southwestern Alaska. He fulfilled all requirements of the homestead act. smile

Signed into law by President Lyndon B. Johnson on September 3, 1964, the Wilderness Act designated all previously existing Wild Areas, Canoe Areas, and Wilderness Areas as Wilderness. At the time, these areas on national forests totaled 9.1 million acres and represented the entire National Wilderness Preservation System.

As of 2023, 806 wilderness areas have been designated, totaling 111,889,002 acres (45,279,873 ha; 452,798.73 km2; 174,826.566 sq mi), which comprise about 4.5% of the land area of the United States.[2][3]

Wilderness areas are subject to specific management restrictions; human activities are limited to non-motorized recreation (such as backpacking, camping, hunting, fishing, horseback riding, etc.), scientific research, and other non-invasive activities.

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Forever in the record books White17,

Congrats Ken!


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Yes, that's pretty dang awesome Ken! I just googled it and it's everywhere online, National park service, youtube, facebook, heck even Ai knows. Now I can tell people that the last man to acquire a official homestead explained to me how to make a leaning pole set using long springs!


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
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Originally Posted by Catch22
Yes, that's pretty dang awesome Ken! I just googled it and it's everywhere online, National park service, youtube, facebook, heck even Ai knows. Now I can tell people that the last man to acquire a official homestead explained to me how to make a leaning pole set using long springs!



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Alot of drilling and production is on federal land


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Originally Posted by TravC
Alot of drilling and production is on federal land


especially where there is a lot of federal land. funny how that works. how much of texas and north dakota production is on federal land? Waters don't count.

"In recent years, oil production on federal lands and waters has accounted for approximately 24% of total U.S. oil production, according to the American Petroleum Institute (API).
This includes both onshore and offshore production, with offshore areas contributing a significant portion of this total."

"More than 99% of federal land in Alaska leased to oil and gas companies remains unused for production."

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Originally Posted by Dirt
Originally Posted by TravC
Alot of drilling and production is on federal land


especially where there is a lot of federal land. funny how that works. how much of texas and north dakota production is on federal land? Waters don't count.

"In recent years, oil production on federal lands and waters has accounted for approximately 24% of total U.S. oil production, according to the American Petroleum Institute (API).
This includes both onshore and offshore production, with offshore areas contributing a significant portion of this total."

"More than 99% of federal land in Alaska leased to oil and gas companies remains unused for production."


Most of texas is private number 1. Also has to be enough oil to produce to make a profit and not lose money when markets are up and down. number two
Half of it is infastructure the cost to provide power ,roads etc to.remote areas outweighs the profit alot of moveing parts to oil and gas production. Lots of federal land especially south east nm has all of the above in place

Go to west texas and tell me there isnt alot of oil production north and south of the NM state line public and private


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Re: Help stop the sale of OUR public lands!!!!! Now! [Re: Blaine County] #8427726
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
Same thing happening in NM.

Can the manner in which the feds manage and own property be improved? Obviously.

I'm as free market as it gets but this is an incredibly rash, short sighted and bad idea.

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I concur


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Originally Posted by wy.wolfer
That sets a terrible precedent.

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Mike Lee pulled the provision from the bill.


http://www.usdebtclock.org/
This place is getting more like Facebook every day.

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Originally Posted by corky
Mike Lee pulled the provision from the bill.


Great

They need to be buying more instead of selling

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The federal agencies already buy and sell land regularly. They have real estate divisions.

My biggest issue with Lee’s provision is that it’s just a giant land giveaway and it opens the door to further massive sell-offs. If they decide to take a thoughtful approach, consider land swaps for improved access, migration corridors, improved recreation, fishing, trapping, hunting opportunities, etc, then my personal stance would be different.

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Originally Posted by Leroy Bob
The federal agencies already buy and sell land regularly. They have real estate divisions.

My biggest issue with Lee’s provision is that it’s just a giant land giveaway and it opens the door to further massive sell-offs. If they decide to take a thoughtful approach, consider land swaps for improved access, migration corridors, improved recreation, fishing, trapping, hunting opportunities, etc, then my personal stance would be different.


Exactly! Couldn’t have said it better myself. Happy trapping! ScottW

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Originally Posted by ScottW
Originally Posted by Leroy Bob
The federal agencies already buy and sell land regularly. They have real estate divisions.

My biggest issue with Lee’s provision is that it’s just a giant land giveaway and it opens the door to further massive sell-offs. If they decide to take a thoughtful approach, consider land swaps for improved access, migration corridors, improved recreation, fishing, trapping, hunting opportunities, etc, then my personal stance would be different.


Exactly! Couldn’t have said it better myself. Happy trapping! ScottW

Unfortunately, a thoughtful approach to anything is too much to expect from the federal government.

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