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Crazy woman tried to run over some ICE agents with her car and at least one agent used his weapon in self defence shooting and killing her, thereby protecting himself and other agents. Sounds like a good shooting to me. Let MN burn, they only burn themselves.
Crazy woman tried to run over some ICE agents with her car and at least one agent used his weapon in self defence shooting and killing her, thereby protecting himself and other agents. Sounds like a good shooting to me. Let MN burn, they only burn themselves.
Last time MN burned all the people with a few bucks moved out by me, drove up land prices and turned our small town into apartments and liberal stupid govt.
I don't know half of you half as well as I should like, & I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve
Looked to me like she hesitated when the cop was in front of her and if she was going to hit him she would have even after the shot. Didn't look like an intentional trying to run the cops over but a get away from them distracted by those at her door giving commands and not noticing the cop she drove tord in an effort to get away.
But fron the cops view she was not complying and accelerated in his direction so good shoot. She found out she was not special as she thought and rules apply and actions have consequences.
The people were riled up long before any of this took place by Mayor Frey. He has stirred up the people into violence long before with his many vocal condemnations regarding ICE coming to his city as he calls it. His take on this shooting in his conference will spark more violence. Same thing he did with the George Floyd riots. He left his police officers out to dry on that mess. They were lucky to escape with their lives when they tried to manage the rioters. That's part of the reason they lost a lot of their police force. When he spoke today he used some of the foulest language no normal person in his position would use. People with a low intelligence level like him isn't unexpected. Don't be surprised to see rioting after dark like we saw with the George Floyd fiasco. Frey's got them all primed up for that. Idiot!
Walz spoke on the shooting. I'm sure he liked the fact it took some of the fraud pressure off of him.
When you're 20 and drop something you pick it up. When you're 80 you decide you don't need it anymore.
Yeah Trapper7, I saw video clips of Frey dropping the F-bomb when referring to ICE and the Trump administration. It made me wonder how a radical guy like that gets elected and stays in office. He's clearly inciting violence.
Yeah more like some cowboy couldnt take two steps sideways. Just had to defend himself. Go looking for fight usually find one.
Mac
Yeah, bud when you shoot the crackhead crawling into your bedroom window I hope I'm on the jury to ask if you have a back door or could've just stepped outside to get out of the way.
I watched a slowed down zoomed in version of it. She was backing up with a dude at the driver's door and another in front of the vehicle. She put it in drive and started towards the guy standing in front of the vehicle, and that's when they pumped her guts full of lead. She actually had turned the wheels away from the guy in front of the vehicle and wouldn't have hit him even if she kept going forward, but they had no way of knowing that at the time. Good shoot as far as I see.
Looked like he shot her three times as she was going by him , not at him
Idk ...hard to tell
Maybe she needed dead anyways, before this incident
I heard multiple shots on the video, but afteraction photos show just one hole in the front glass. Didn't see a side photo, so I can't say yea or nay on other hits or misses. JMO based on the hole in front glass but that looks to me as fired from directly in front of drivers side headlight so shooter was in the line of advance of the vehicle.
When you wake up and decide to go interfere with LEO’s and then use your vehicle as a deadly weapon, then you should expect the worst. Not listening to lawful commands also leads to other than desirable results.
Since the thankfully dead karen actually hit the ICE agent, who is now in the hospital for his injuries, how can even the forum liberals think it's a bad shoot? Do you hate law enforcement that much? You should be ashamed.
"President Trump said he watched the video of an Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officer fatally shooting a woman in Minnesota on Wednesday, concluding the officer was acting “in self defense.”
“I have just viewed the clip of the event which took place in Minneapolis, Minnesota. It is a horrible thing to watch. The woman screaming was, obviously, a professional agitator, and the woman driving the car was very disorderly, obstructing and resisting, who then violently, willfully, and viciously ran over the ICE Officer, who seems to have shot her in self defense,” Trump wrote in a Truth Social post.
Trump went on to say the ICE officer is alive and recovering in the hospital following the incident."
Yeah more like some cowboy couldnt take two steps sideways. Just had to defend himself. Go looking for fight usually find one.
Mac
Or maybe she could have just calmed down and complied. Act like an idiot usually get shot.
How big a piece of liberal crap do you have to be to think an on duty Federal Law Enforcement officer is in the wrong for shooting a terrorist as she runs him over, putting him in the hospital. She could have easily killed him.
[quote=Leroy Bob][quote=Donnersurvivor]Kinda attractive for a lesbian. Are you kidding, she looks sorta like a young Hillery Clinton Once you see it, you can't unsee it
I'm into it. Even though she ended up getting shot by a Fed I'm still certain she couldn't of been worse than my first wife.
I don't know half of you half as well as I should like, & I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve
[quote=Leroy Bob][quote=Donnersurvivor]Kinda attractive for a lesbian. Are you kidding, she looks sorta like a young Hillery Clinton Once you see it, you can't unsee it
I'm into it. Even though she ended up getting shot by a Fed I'm still certain she couldn't of been worse than my first wife.
Just saw the videos, sure don't know how they can justify what looks like what would be called a murder, if you or I had have done it
The difference is we are not sworn officers with a duty to detain persons in the commission of a crime. The officers were lawfully attempting to detain her, she not only resisted but attempted to strike the officer with her vehicle. Open and shut clean shoot.
Approve of the first amendment-guaranteed right to post that stuff? Of course. Anyone who is a person of principle would. The first amendment isn't just for things you like.
Just saw the videos, sure don't know how they can justify what looks like what would be called a murder, if you or I had have done it
The difference is we are not sworn officers with a duty to detain persons in the commission of a crime. The officers were lawfully attempting to detain her, she not only resisted but attempted to strike the officer with her vehicle. Open and shut clean shoot.
I agree. A regular person has no business pointing a gun at someone in a vehicle trying to drive away. We can just let them drive away. Cops can't.
From another state and in Minnesota? Sounds like it was just looking for trouble!! News reports say she was possibly one of the instigators of the protest. FAFO !!!! Probably on the Soros pay role too.
Just saw the videos, sure don't know how they can justify what looks like what would be called a murder, if you or I had have done it
The difference is we are not sworn officers with a duty to detain persons in the commission of a crime. The officers were lawfully attempting to detain her, she not only resisted but attempted to strike the officer with her vehicle. Open and shut clean shoot.
She didn't just attempt to run over the officer, she ran him over! He's in the hospital right now with injuries she inflicted on him.
Approve of the first amendment-guaranteed right to post that stuff? Of course. Anyone who is a person of principle would. The first amendment isn't just for things you like.
Okay, how about this.
Person A: Hitler is bad Person B: Hitler should have been stopped Person A: By any means necessary Person B: Joe Blow is just like Hilter Person A: Joe Blow must be stopped Person B: By any means necessary Person C is observing and listening to all this Person A talking to person C: Joe Blow will do to you what Hitler did Person B talking to person C: Joe Blow is the reason for all your problems
Person C grabs gun and shoots Joe Blow
All first amendment right?
Will someone please rid me of this meddlesome priest?
The difference is we are not sworn officers with a duty to detain persons in the commission of a crime. The officers were lawfully attempting to detain her, she not only resisted but attempted to strike the officer with her vehicle. Open and shut clean shoot.
She didn't just attempt to run over the officer, she ran him over! He's in the hospital right now with injuries she inflicted on him.
Keith
Then that confirms his reasonable opinion that his life was indeed at risk. Justifiable.
Approve of the first amendment-guaranteed right to post that stuff? Of course. Anyone who is a person of principle would. The first amendment isn't just for things you like.
Okay, how about this.
Person A: Hitler is bad Person B: Hitler should have been stopped Person A: By any means necessary Person B: Joe Blow is just like Hilter Person A: Joe Blow must be stopped Person B: By any means necessary Person C is observing and listening to all this Person A talking to person C: Joe Blow will do to you what Hitler did Person B talking to person C: Joe Blow is the reason for all your problems
Person C grabs gun and shoots Joe Blow
All first amendment right?
Will someone please rid me of this meddlesome priest?[/quote]
Well, yeah. All first amendment. The speech, at least. Neither person A or person B made any "true threats" to Joe Blow. Person C decided to commit a crime based on speech he heard.
Police call off chases all the time due to safety issues. They had her plate number. She had no warrants that have been reported. I watched the video and see no direct threat to any officer. She attempted to drive away. While going all of 1-1/2 miles per hour, she was shot dead, (multiple times), by an ICE officer. She was a U.S. citizen.
Police call off chases all the time due to safety issues. They had her plate number. She had no warrants that have been reported. I watched the video and see no direct threat to any officer. She attempted to drive away. While going all of 1-1/2 miles per hour, she was shot dead, (multiple times), by an ICE officer. She was a U.S. citizen.
I get what you're saying, but we're saying and seeing this after the fact, not in the moment. They had every reason to fear getting squished by a car in that heated moment. And getting squished by a car ain't pretty. I remember one time at the police garage I had to put a seized car on a lift that had been used to run someone over. They needed to collect tissue samples that were smeared all over the underside. It was gross. Not only were there chunks of the guy practically dripping off, but their was also a bunch of poop, because the dudes intestines had been ripped open.
Person A: Hitler is bad Person B: Hitler should have been stopped Person A: By any means necessary Person B: Joe Blow is just like Hilter Person A: Joe Blow must be stopped Person B: By any means necessary Person C is observing and listening to all this Person A talking to person C: Joe Blow will do to you what Hitler did Person B talking to person C: Joe Blow is the reason for all your problems
Person C grabs gun and shoots Joe Blow
All first amendment right?
Will someone please rid me of this meddlesome priest?
Well, yeah. All first amendment. The speech, at least. Neither person A or person B made any "true threats" to Joe Blow. Person C decided to commit a crime based on speech he heard.
Freedom is hard, I know.
Even spech that reasonably could be expected to elicit or result in violence by a listener?
I'm a constitutional absolutist but that should come with side of common sense. Common sense for both parties. And I would totally exempt any form of knowing dissemination of falsehood to elicit such response. You can't wink and nod your way out of responsibilty.
But the problem today is delusion, self delusion and false belief. That alone destroys the legal standard of reasonable.
Well white liberal women need to learn that usually bad outcomes happen when you ignore Law enforcement orders and or try and bum rush them with a car. I mean usually when there is a bullet hole in the windshield that usually means the officer was in front of the car. Minnesota has agreed it’s good to go to war with America good luck….I am from there and glad to say from there now days…
Just watched a video that was shot from behind the vehicle. It shows in slow motion her spinning the tires and accelerating right at the Ice agent in front. Wheels were pointed directly at him until he shot and then the vehicle turned right. DEFINITELY trying to hit him. JUSTIFIABLE!!!
Interesting . The video I watched didn't show anyone getting run over
Looks like she turned the wheels sharply to avoid the closest officer
Looked like he would not have been hit
First shot through windshield was low driverside from front right fender area , not directly in front of the vehicle
What say you ?
Video from the front shows more, she actually hits him.
President Donald Trump said the loonie liberal lesbian ran over the ICE officer in a National press briefing and a bunch of you guys are idiotically only going by what you see in a poorly filmed video, released by liberals to enrage and motivate their base. What happened to you? Can't you understand he was briefed by incredibly competent people on what happened?
Can’t use a vehicle as a weapon against an officer. She impeded there efforts all morning. Clearly pulled in front of Fed vehicle soley to impede. When ordered to dismount she fled using her vehicle to strike an officer.
This isn’t a MN issue it’s a Twin Cities metro issue. Greater MN Welcomes and fully supports ICE.
It’s a lazy man who can’t find his wife a second job !
Well white liberal women need to learn that usually bad outcomes happen when you ignore Law enforcement orders and or try and bum rush them with a car. I mean usually when there is a bullet hole in the windshield that usually means the officer was in front of the car. Minnesota has agreed it’s good to go to war with America good luck….I am from there and glad to say from there now days…
We've got a female problem in this country. This is why that up until a minute ago women were the property and responsibility of a father or husband for almost all of our history.
Looked to me like a shooting in anger rather than self defense. But that said, if you try to drive away from the police you risk getting shot. Everybody that I ever teach to drive I emphasize that fact.
Looked to me like a shooting in anger rather than self defense. But that said, if you try to drive away from the police you risk getting shot. Everybody that I ever teach to drive I emphasize that fact.
She ran over the Federal ICE officer who shot her. He's in the hospital. I guess having someone try to kill you and run you over would make you understandably angry, so you're sort of right.
Well white liberal women need to learn that usually bad outcomes happen when you ignore Law enforcement orders and or try and bum rush them with a car. I mean usually when there is a bullet hole in the windshield that usually means the officer was in front of the car. Minnesota has agreed it’s good to go to war with America good luck….I am from there and glad to say from there now days…
We've got a female problem in this country. This is why that up until a minute ago women were the property and responsibility of a father or husband for almost all of our history.
Bold assessment. Would you be willing to place a wager of sorts? I know you are not dumb!
Gotta find a way, a better way, I'd better wait
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you
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[Re: Vinke]
#8539969 01/08/2612:06 AM01/08/2612:06 AM
You have to understand the majority of Minnesotans arent crazy like most seem to believe. Its the majority of Minneapolis/St. Paul people that are nuts. You get away from the metro areas and most are conservative people. Take away Minneapolis and St. Paul and Minnesota would be an awesome place to live.
"They that can give up essential liberty to gain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety" Ben Franklin talking about guns
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[Re: Vinke]
#8539972 01/08/2612:20 AM01/08/2612:20 AM
My advice to those who don't believe this was a justified shooting is to warn all your other liberal friends that now is not a good time to test the patience of law enforcement..lol
Ol dad
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[Re: Vinke]
#8539984 01/08/2612:30 AM01/08/2612:30 AM
We've got a female problem in this country. This is why that up until a minute ago women were the property and responsibility of a father or husband for almost all of our history.
Bold assessment. Would you be willing to place a wager of sorts? I know you are not dumb!
What's your wager?
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[Re: KeithC]
#8540005 01/08/2601:59 AM01/08/2601:59 AM
Looked to me like a shooting in anger rather than self defense. But that said, if you try to drive away from the police you risk getting shot. Everybody that I ever teach to drive I emphasize that fact.
She ran over the Federal ICE officer who shot her. He's in the hospital. I guess having someone try to kill you and run you over would make you understandably angry, so you're sort of right.
Keith
From what I read he went to the hospital was looked at and checked out. The cynic in me wonders if he was sent to the hospital by his superiors to make the shooting appear more justified than it might have really been.
From what I read he went to the hospital was looked at and checked out. The cynic in me wonders if he was sent to the hospital by his superiors to make the shooting appear more justified than it might have really been.
You can't possibly think it was okay for the woman to hit a Federal officer with her car, can you?
Even if her intention wasn't to kill him and the other nearby officers, or do them serious bodily harm, how was he supposed to know? She undeniably hit him with a deadly weapon, that is frequently used to kill and cause severe bodily harm. Her action is not legally significantly different than threatening a Federal Agent with a gun and then shooting them. Her shooting was legally justified.
Keith
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[Re: Vinke]
#8540021 01/08/2605:55 AM01/08/2605:55 AM
Well white liberal women need to learn that usually bad outcomes happen when you ignore Law enforcement orders and or try and bum rush them with a car. I mean usually when there is a bullet hole in the windshield that usually means the officer was in front of the car. Minnesota has agreed it’s good to go to war with America good luck….I am from there and glad to say from there now days…
We've got a female problem in this country. This is why that up until a minute ago women were the property and responsibility of a father or husband for almost all of our history.
Good Lord.
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[Re: warrior]
#8540089 01/08/2608:55 AM01/08/2608:55 AM
Well white liberal women need to learn that usually bad outcomes happen when you ignore Law enforcement orders and or try and bum rush them with a car. I mean usually when there is a bullet hole in the windshield that usually means the officer was in front of the car. Minnesota has agreed it’s good to go to war with America good luck….I am from there and glad to say from there now days…
We've got a female problem in this country. This is why that up until a minute ago women were the property and responsibility of a father or husband for almost all of our history.
I think we actually have a male problem, too many males acting like females. I’m not talking about the whole gay thing. Just how masculinity has been demonized. A lot of men are afraid of what it might look like if they behave masculine.
From what I read he went to the hospital was looked at and checked out. The cynic in me wonders if he was sent to the hospital by his superiors to make the shooting appear more justified than it might have really been.
You can't possibly think it was okay for the woman to hit a Federal officer with her car, can you?
Even if her intention wasn't to kill him and the other nearby officers, or do them serious bodily harm, how was he supposed to know? She undeniably hit him with a deadly weapon, that is frequently used to kill and cause severe bodily harm. Her action is not legally significantly different than threatening a Federal Agent with a gun and then shooting them. Her shooting was legally justified.
Keith
The armchair experts, in hindsight, expect that the officer just a few feet in front of the car lurching forward should have focused his line of sight on the direction the front wheels may have been turning and calculated that he would only be grazed by the front fender rather than run over by the vehicle. Perhaps they should all be police officers.
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[Re: Vinke]
#8540108 01/08/2609:31 AM01/08/2609:31 AM
it's a tactic LEO uses , surround the car so that if they make a move and fail to comply to stop and get out of the vehicle and make a move to evade you endanger the officer thus the threshold of deadly force gets reached.
they do this because they need to be in danger of bodily harm to use deadly force as decided by courts
once LE have told you to stop and get out of the car you are being detained and a detainee using a 2-3 ton weapon to resist and evade arrest is it's own level of force.
it's a difficult situation all around. if everyone is free to flee when being detained , the LE could never get an arrest made. the woman likely didn't understand the rules of being detained , which is unfortunate that they were not taught.
it is better to be proven innocent in court and be alive than to try and prove your point with LE and be dead , if you are not ready to die , surrender and live to another day , doesn't matter if you are innocent if you are dead.
that should be the lesson taught to people , when you cross a threshold from protest to resisting arrest with force and a deadly weapon , you cross a line even if you don't think you crossed the line , you leave that to a court to decide.
teach your kids that when the LE guns come out , you can fight likely resulting in your death or surrender and face trial , so if you are not ready to die , take the trial.
America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
it's a tactic LEO uses , surround the car so that if they make a move and fail to comply to stop and get out of the vehicle and make a move to evade you endanger the officer thus the threshold of deadly force gets reached.
they do this because they need to be in danger of bodily harm to use deadly force as decided by courts
once LE have told you to stop and get out of the car you are being detained and a detainee using a 2-3 ton weapon to resist and evade arrest is it's own level of force.
it's a difficult situation all around. if everyone is free to flee when being detained , the LE could never get an arrest made. the woman likely didn't understand the rules of being detained , which is unfortunate that they were not taught.
it is better to be proven innocent in court and be alive than to try and prove your point with LE and be dead , if you are not ready to die , surrender and live to another day , doesn't matter if you are innocent if you are dead.
that should be the lesson taught to people , when you cross a threshold from protest to resisting arrest with force and a deadly weapon , you cross a line even if you don't think you crossed the line , you leave that to a court to decide.
teach your kids that when the LE guns come out , you can fight likely resulting in your death or surrender and face trial , so if you are not ready to die , take the trial.
IF she was a paid protestor, as some reports indicate, is this a workplace fatality? What kind of training are they provided?
"in the midst of a savage wilderness to depend entirely upon their unassisted strength and hardihood"
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[Re: Vinke]
#8540133 01/08/2610:34 AM01/08/2610:34 AM
the cop that shot Babbitt was never charged. should he have faced a jury?
Yes is the short answer
End qualified immunity (sp?)
Look at both shootings both protesters both not following orders . One climbing thru a window with no visible weapons The other behind the wheel of a vehicle
Both cases only one officer fired his weapon
A jury should decide if reasonable force was used not a panel of other officers same dept or not .
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[Re: Trapset]
#8540159 01/08/2611:27 AM01/08/2611:27 AM
We've got a female problem in this country. This is why that up until a minute ago women were the property and responsibility of a father or husband for almost all of our history.
I think we actually have a male problem, too many males acting like females. I’m not talking about the whole gay thing. Just how masculinity has been demonized. A lot of men are afraid of what it might look like if they behave masculine.
Good point. My over the top statement is as much about fathers and husbands not stepping up and protecting our daughters and wives from themselves.
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[Re: k snow]
#8540178 01/08/2612:04 PM01/08/2612:04 PM
I think we actually have a male problem, too many males acting like females. I’m not talking about the whole gay thing. Just how masculinity has been demonized. A lot of men are afraid of what it might look like if they behave masculine.
Good point. My over the top statement is as much about fathers and husbands not stepping up and protecting our daughters and wives from themselves.
As an example, my youngest daughter just asked me to explain what went down as she has learned not to trust the media or her peers. Her mother I doubt even knows that something happened as she is not plugged in to current events and her default position is to discuss events with me if they come up.
From what I read he went to the hospital was looked at and checked out. The cynic in me wonders if he was sent to the hospital by his superiors to make the shooting appear more justified than it might have really been.
You can't possibly think it was okay for the woman to hit a Federal officer with her car, can you?
Even if her intention wasn't to kill him and the other nearby officers, or do them serious bodily harm, how was he supposed to know? She undeniably hit him with a deadly weapon, that is frequently used to kill and cause severe bodily harm. Her action is not legally significantly different than threatening a Federal Agent with a gun and then shooting them. Her shooting was legally justified.
Keith
Keith, maybe only that officer knows what his state of mind was at the time. I agree that cops have to do what they have to do when their lives are threatened. The video I saw didn't look much like that, but then again, even in football the refs have to look at various angles to make the right call. I only saw one angle. A lot of people want to see this officer as justified.... and a lot of other people want to see him as a murderer. Maybe we all saw the videos through those filters.
I'll wait until the bodycam footage gets released before I can see the before footage we're not seeing yet The Media always start in in the middle of the footage, not from the beginning
Yeah more like some cowboy couldnt take two steps sideways. Just had to defend himself. Go looking for fight usually find one.
Mac
SHE sought out a problematic situation, my friend. The vehicle had Missouri license plates, her girlfriend was recording, and she refused to comply. Had she run over the agent, certain groups would have praised her actions. While no life should be lost, everyone must face consequences.
These protestors, especially the paid ones, have gotten away with pushing their limits ever since Michael Brown took the room temperature challenge... and lost. In their eyes, its ok to drive off when the police tell you to stop and exit the vehicle. Or its o.k. to throw a water bottle at law enforcement. Or its o.k. to ......ad nauseum. Anyway, that crap isn't going to fly anymore. Its going to take a couple getting sent to the spirit world before they all start to realize that paid rioting isn't a trendy or profitable gig anymore.
In this just released home surveillance video, you can see the ICE officer was dead center in front of the woman's vehicle when she attempted to run him down.
There's no possible way she could have thought she wouldn't hit him, unless her eyes were closed.
Does this change you few forum liberal's view of the shooting?
The only legitimate "excuse" that's been floated out that is even halfway plausible to me is the tunnel vision effect that occurs during high stress fight or flight and that she was solely focused on the officer to her left and never saw the one to her front. But not really plausible, and even if she created the situation by refusal to follow the orders of the officer to her left.
The simple fact of the matter is that she didn't even have to have intent to do harm in this situation. She was a danger to others by her actions and the officer responded legally and accordingly to stop the threat.
As a side note, her mental state.
She very well may have been in a heightened state of fear and in full flight mode with complete disregard for the safety of others to point of being mentally unable to comply. And to that I would lay the blame to the hysterical, yes feminine hysteria, nature of what her peer group was feeding her.
In short the left has and is riling up the most hysterical unreasonable fear state among their followers to the point of frenzy.
Im afraid that there is a large part of our population that has permanently altered their mental state with this nonsense to the point of being unrecoverable.
On the mental state, I'm currently in discussion with a fellow beekeeper who is a quite intelligent person with great knowledge of bees including the scientifific technical stuff. Basically a genius, imo. But he's one of our southern hippies with that contrarian bent and he is totally gone over to progressivism and it's almost impossible to hold him to a cogent discussion without constant ad hominem personal attacks.
These people are not in control of their emotions and have rewired their brains to react violently to anything outside a presteblished set of leftist parameters.
There may be something slightly mental about people who spend many hours and days researching, posting and arguing on a topic that was clearly resolved in their mind from the start, as if they are responsible for trying to change closed minds on it.
In this just released home surveillance video, you can see the ICE officer was dead center in front of the woman's vehicle when she attempted to run him down.
There's no possible way she could have thought she wouldn't hit him, unless her eyes were closed.
Does this change you few forum liberal's view of the shooting?
Keith
He only took one step to his right , the vechile was already turning away from him . He was too busy trying to put a bullet through the front windshield into the beezoe , or he would not have been grazed by her vechile . He got one through there from the side of the vechlile but I doubt it connected at that angle . Certainly wasn't the fatal head shot .
I believe peeler is correct , send that dude to the hospital no matter what .......lol
I'm all for dead Anti Americans.....but this self defense baloney wouldn't fly if it was one of us shooting her outta self defense.....no way in heck
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Just saw a new picture of the dead leftist. The one posted yesterday was drawing some interest from a few members saying she wasn't bad looking lol. Get the new updated picture! Just another fat, sick, sexually delusional lesbian. How come nobody is calling out the mentally deranged sexually confused tranny's lesbian and queers? There is definitely mental issues present when you can't even tell what gender you are. It seems every bit of violence lately is committed by these crazys.
After a woman was shot and killed by an Immigration and Customs Enforcement officer in Minneapolis on Wednesday, Democrats and liberal media are in a fury. To prevent future deadly situations, here is a helpful guide on how to avoid being shot by ICE officers.
Step 1: Do not interfere in ICE operations. Witness video of the incident does not capture everything leading up to this shooting, but the videos do show the woman with her car parked in the middle of the road, blocking traffic, in front of multiple ICE vehicles. Generally speaking, a good way to avoid being approached by law enforcement is to avoid breaking the law, which would include not blocking traffic, especially when the traffic you are stopped in front of is law enforcement.
Step 2: Listen to law enforcement when they tell you to step out of the car. Video shows the ICE officers approaching the woman who was blocking the road and instructing her repeatedly to “get out of the car.” When law enforcement tells you to get out of the car, you should get out of the car. When law enforcement attempts to open your door to get you out of the car because you did not follow that instruction, you should let them open your door and get you out of the car. Complying with law enforcement instructions is typically a good way to avoid getting yourself injured.
Step 3: Don’t try to drive away. If you have failed the first two steps, there is one more thing you can do to ensure your own safety, and that is to avoid trying to drive through law enforcement officers who are stopping your vehicle. This means that you should not drive away while an officer is holding on to your door handle, which the woman did. You should especially not try to drive right through an officer who is standing in front of your vehicle, which the woman did, evidently hitting that officer, who fatally shot her after nearly being run over. Your car is a dangerous weapon, and law enforcement officers, who do not want to have to shoot you, will do so if you put their lives at risk.
Oh wow that other angle, at around the 50 second mark clearly shows her ramming into the cop and pushing him back a few feet as he shoots, and then spins to the side to try to escape. I can't imagine any jury would find him guilty.
Gotta find a way, a better way, I'd better wait
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you
Many people struggle with what they think or expect an officer should do in a life threatening situation.
"just jump out of the way"..... "step only 2 steps to the side"....blah, blah, blah...
Thank God that out courts will look at the TOTALITY OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES from the perspective of the officer involved.
There is no other fair way!
Agreed
It's one thing to sit back after the action from a third party viewpoint and see routes of escape that the person facing the threat could not see and say aha it was...
Totally another thing to be the guy staring down the barrel of the gun.
Got to put yourself in that guy's position working with the facts available to him at that time.
Many people struggle with what they think or expect an officer should do in a life threatening situation.
"just jump out of the way"..... "step only 2 steps to the side"....blah, blah, blah...
Thank God that out courts will look at the TOTALITY OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES from the perspective of the officer involved.
There is no other fair way!
Talking about this today, I've saw a guy having what looked like full body convulsions while trying to shoot a doe, guy I was talking with watched his cousin unload a 30/30 at a deer without ever firing the gun. People expect perfection from cops but the reality is it will never happen
I don't know half of you half as well as I should like, & I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve
I hate commenting on these threads but here I am. Crazy how different angles tell a different story. The lady in the original should’ve been tazed or something, I had to mute the video. I don’t know how people can put up with that without losing their crap on them. Bottom line, and it doesn’t matter what angle you look at, follow orders when the badge has a firearm drawn.
Oh wow that other angle, at around the 50 second mark clearly shows her ramming into the cop and pushing him back a few feet as he shoots, and then spins to the side to try to escape. I can't imagine any jury would find him guilty.
Angela go back and look at the video I posted . It's a little closer up view . She had cleared the officer with the front of her car before he got the shot off . If he was touched at all by her car it was from him leaning in , trying to get the right angle on the shot through the windshield......he failed.....he shoots again as she passes by
Injured ? My a__
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… we had a pair around here .. one was a cowgirl… the other dressed like a boy from southwest Arkansas
.. one night behind the feed store the boy lookin one knocked my buddies cowboy hat off on purpose
… I had to physically restrain him from kickin its butt lol
… he was yelling… you want to run around actin like a man I’ll whip your a.. like a man lol
Was the cowgirl good looking?
… she was … had a Texas flag and barbwire tattoo on her arm … wore them tight fightin old school wranglers and was built right
… always considered it a shame myself… the boy lookin one eased off into the woods and killed herself not too long ago … not sure what happened to cowgirl after that …. Haven’t seen her around
Oh wow that other angle, at around the 50 second mark clearly shows her ramming into the cop and pushing him back a few feet as he shoots, and then spins to the side to try to escape. I can't imagine any jury would find him guilty.
Angela go back and look at the video I posted . It's a little closer up view . She had cleared the officer with the front of her car before he got the shot off . If he was touched at all by her car it was from him leaning in , trying to get the right angle on the shot through the windshield......he failed.....he shoots again as she passes by
Injured ? My a__
I watched it. I do agree that by the time he pulled the trigger, she had cleared him, but only after having first hit him. In the split second between getting hit by the car and pulling the trigger... I believe it's what any reasonable person would have done.
Gotta find a way, a better way, I'd better wait
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you
Those officers are getting heckled, yelled at, swore at, spit on, etc etc all day long by a whole bunch of people who don't appreciate what they're tasked with doing. I can imagine that it wouldn't take much to get them to react lethally in certain situations. One can imagine that adrenaline is running pretty high.
I kind of feel that has a lot to do with the shootings taking place in the last couple of days.
Those officers are getting heckled, yelled at, swore at, spit on, etc etc all day long by a whole bunch of people who don't appreciate what they're tasked with doing. I can imagine that it wouldn't take much to get them to react lethally in certain situations. One can imagine that adrenaline is running pretty high.
I kind of feel that has a lot to do with the shootings taking place in the last couple of days.
You think that just might be what the behind the scenes organizers are wanting to happen? Push until something happens then play the victim.
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[Re: Vinke]
#8540563 01/09/2612:08 AM01/09/2612:08 AM
Cept , any reasonable person would be in jail right now ......no doubt about it
I'm not even convinced of that, although it would certainly vary by state. It would probably be true in YOUR state but probably not in mine. Here, we are allowed to shoot someone legally if they are in the process of committing a felony. I would say attempted vehicular manslaughter would be considered a felony.
Gotta find a way, a better way, I'd better wait
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you
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[Re: AntiGov]
#8540599 01/09/2601:56 AM01/09/2601:56 AM
That's just in the big city peeler .....most of us normal Americans enjoy the presence of ice and thier work
Although capping a beezoe in the head as she drives by is not acceptable imo
Just a chicken wing move from a rooster wad with a badge
You may have noticed that small town Newport about had a conniption fit when they found out Homeland Security was secretly planning on building an ICE detention center there. So nope, not just the big cities.
Cept , any reasonable person would be in jail right now ......no doubt about it
I'm not even convinced of that, although it would certainly vary by state. It would probably be true in YOUR state but probably not in mine. Here, we are allowed to shoot someone legally if they are in the process of committing a felony. I would say attempted vehicular manslaughter would be considered a felony.
Yep, I think that is a big reason paid protestors aren't to common in the south.
In Oregon the majority of people don't appreciate or want ICE here. I suspect the same is true in many other states as well. Expect push back.
I really wouldn't want to be an ICE officer.
If the majority of the people in your state and other states are brain-washed liberals pumped full of lies and hate by a never-ending barrage of media propaganda then your statement is probably true.
I think I can speak for most conservatives when I say we greatly appreciate the work of President Trump and ICE and their ongoing efforts to undo the huge amount of damage the previous administration did to this Country with their "open borders" policy.
Eh...wot?
Re: Ice shooting,,,,
[Re: Vinke]
#8540645 01/09/2607:53 AM01/09/2607:53 AM
It is really hard for me to understand why citizens would actively train and participate in actions designed to thwart the efforts of LEO trying to do a job that really needs to be done. These people are protecting criminals.
It's even harder for me to fathom elected officials condoning this behavior and publicly condemning the efforts of ICE, truly mind-boggling.
Eh...wot?
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[Re: Lugnut]
#8540648 01/09/2608:00 AM01/09/2608:00 AM
It is really hard for me to understand why citizens would actively train and participate in actions designed to thwart the efforts of LEO trying to do a job that really needs to be done. These people are protecting criminals.
It's even harder for me to fathom elected officials condoning this behavior and publicly condemning the efforts of ICE, truly mind-boggling.
College, need I say more?
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[Re: Lugnut]
#8540649 01/09/2608:00 AM01/09/2608:00 AM
It is really hard for me to understand why citizens would actively train and participate in actions designed to thwart the efforts of LEO trying to do a job that really needs to be done. These people are protecting criminals.
It's even harder for me to fathom elected officials condoning this behavior and publicly condemning the efforts of ICE, truly mind-boggling.
You can tell by the ones they interview on the news that IQ is clearly not a factor.
Re: Ice shooting,,,,
[Re: Vinke]
#8540654 01/09/2608:08 AM01/09/2608:08 AM
All the liberals who are all of a sudden protestors! She has a child, why wasn't she either home taking care of her child or at work earning a living to support said child? The whole problem with liberals is that with no life and no purpose they spend their time being offended on behalf of other groups or whoever the liberal elites tell them to be offended by. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
In Oregon the majority of people don't appreciate or want ICE here. I suspect the same is true in many other states as well. Expect push back.
I really wouldn't want to be an ICE officer.
You might be surprised what the true majority of people want when you only see the relatively few who stand in the street and yell profanities at Law Enforcement.
Re: Ice shooting,,,,
[Re: Vinke]
#8540731 01/09/2609:44 AM01/09/2609:44 AM
Yep, I can't imagine the majority of the people want criminals running their streets. Or that they want "mostly peaceful protesters" to be allowed to take over entire sections of towns and cities for long periods of time often doing a great deal of damage in the process.
You'd have to be nuts to want that and to continue voting for that.
Eh...wot?
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[Re: Vinke]
#8540732 01/09/2609:53 AM01/09/2609:53 AM
In Oregon the majority of people don't appreciate or want ICE here. I suspect the same is true in many other states as well. Expect push back.
I really wouldn't want to be an ICE officer.
so, Oregonians LIKE living among/supporting lawbreakers and various criminals?? WHY?
our state has about 39,000 people in our prisons. if you promise to KEEP them in your state, you can have them.
People are committing crimes every day in every State. Being an illegal is just one of them. The government routinely selects what they enforce and what they don't. There are very few people if anybody in America that isn't a criminal. I have worked with illegal workers and did not view this as some major crime. Now, the 30 plus years of illegal fishing I have witness ( and lack of enforcement) has had a major impact on our closed ( People still fishing for them) salmon seasons.
Very easy to understand why people wouldn't want ICE to deport their labor force.
Yep, I can't imagine the majority of the people want criminals running their streets. Or that they want "mostly peaceful protesters" to be allowed to take over entire sections of towns and cities for long periods of time often doing a great deal of damage in the process.
You'd have to be nuts to want that and to continue voting for that.
Yet in blue states, the majority of people vote for politicians who allow this to happen
"Growing shares say the Trump administration is doing ‘too much’ to deport immigrants in the U.S. illegally"
"As the Trump administration escalates its immigration enforcement efforts, 53% of Americans say it is doing “too much” when it comes to deporting immigrants who are living in the United States illegally. That share is up from 44% in March."
the majority of Americans voted for these actions.
It is a threat to Democracy to thwart the Will of the People; ESPECIALLY by those who break the law in doing so.
and another point that seems to get lost in the hysteria: if Sanctuary Cities would allow ICE to go into their jails, most of these "raids" would be avoided; as would the threat to federal LE agents.
the majority of Americans voted for these actions.
It is a threat to Democracy to thwart the Will of the People; ESPECIALLY by those who break the law in doing so.
and another point that seems to get lost in the hysteria: if Sanctuary Cities would allow ICE to go into their jails, most of these "raids" would be avoided; as would the threat to federal LE agents.
Its way more than a threat do democracy, its a very real threat to our American culture.
There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
"Growing shares say the Trump administration is doing ‘too much’ to deport immigrants in the U.S. illegally"
"As the Trump administration escalates its immigration enforcement efforts, 53% of Americans say it is doing “too much” when it comes to deporting immigrants who are living in the United States illegally. That share is up from 44% in March."
liars figure and figures lie, do a pole of those same people and ask them if they want an illegal for a neighbor or house guest.
It all boils back to parenting. Just do what your told! She used the vehicle as a deadly weapon. But, after seeing Kristi Noem in that cowboy hat responding to incident, I can only image her without a _____ on, with the hat on. Good grief she is hot.
------------------------------------- Paying Top Dollar for Alien Parts.
It is really hard for me to understand why citizens would actively train and participate in actions designed to thwart the efforts of LEO trying to do a job that really needs to be done. These people are protecting criminals.
It's even harder for me to fathom elected officials condoning this behavior and publicly condemning the efforts of ICE, truly mind-boggling.
The pay must be pretty good I'm guessing.
Re: Ice shooting,,,,
[Re: Vinke]
#8542029 01/11/2610:47 AM01/11/2610:47 AM
Like in most cases the officer only has seconds to act and the lawyers have days to blame someone else. Just follow the command of the officer and everything will be fine. OK I know that someone will find were this is not the case. Like the officer ask a person to get out of the car and the person did but put his hand inside his/her coat and got shot. JMO
To Old U.S. Army 60-63 SGT.
Re: Ice shooting,,,,
[Re: Vinke]
#8542038 01/11/2610:58 AM01/11/2610:58 AM
The latest making the rounds is that he's a man so of course men are abusers and killers of women and that he intended to kill her as he walked up.
If it wasn't so deadly serious it would be laughable
Wonder why these protest, in numbers at least, aren't occurring across the south? Does being a paid protestor not pay well enough in the southern states?
The latest making the rounds is that he's a man so of course men are abusers and killers of women and that he intended to kill her as he walked up.
If it wasn't so deadly serious it would be laughable
Wonder why these protest, in numbers at least, aren't occurring across the south? Does being a paid protestor not pay well enough in the southern states?
I’ve heard it said , that in Red southern states, ICE isn’t having to roam the streets as LE is cooperating and illegals are being arrested and turned over for deportation.
Honor a Soldier. Be the kind of American worth fighting for.
Re: Ice shooting,,,,
[Re: Vinke]
#8542061 01/11/2611:32 AM01/11/2611:32 AM
Georgia has it's usual idiot gatherings in Atlanta, Columbus, and Athens. I haven't heard whether Savanah and Augusta got idiots gathering but Im sure they do.
But by and large outside of those cesspools Georgia Sheriffs have no problem with shipping out trouble. Being an ag state they ain't hitting all illegals yet though.
Anyone else discovering that all these 2A hating antigunners are now bonafide experts in ballistics, defensive training, and use of firearms, and self defense law?
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