As I type out some thoughts I realize this may be the one post that could be my last. I don't want to argue politics, but after listening to the live stream of the Watertown, WI School Board last night I've accepted that the nut jobs on the board are more than pushing an agenda. This escalation of political BS in this country has gone way too far and common sense is clearly behind us. Its a small community in the farm country here and ironically I know many of them can be extreme hypocrites. Its obvious the best years have past and I don't believe we are ever getting back to a sensible place in society.

So quick back history on the emergency board meeting - The music teacher at the highschool selected a wind ensemble to be played this spring that was written by a gay or trans composer. Mother of a Revolution, a world-renowned composition by Omar Thomas. Teacher sent a letter out to all parents giving the opportunity to opt out if they opposed way back in October. A week before the concert, a board member had a gay panic attack and called an emergency meeting to have it banned.

So the part that kept me up much of the night and still thinking about this was all the comments made that were "off-mic" that could still be heard. "I don't care if they think its F'n censorship", "God wouldn't approve of this", "...we need to end this indoctrination", and much more. Parents and students that politely and in a civilized manor spoke were yelled at, told to shut up, talked over, and abruptly cut off.

The teacher did the right thing and followed policy back in the beginning of October. So now 7 months later, a board lacking media attention, blows this up like some end of earth disaster.

Now this is where I have huge issues with what is going on. I am a Republican and lean moderately conservative. However, in light of national news and propaganda, these Extreme far right Maga freaks have been voted into the board, inserting their personal opinion over the best judgement for the community. Whenever they can take a slightly questionable circumstance, they are quick to blow it out of proportion, apply censorship to secure their personal views, ignore the separation of church and state, and blatantly make false accusations about teachers and staff. My daughters went to school with their kids. I have trapped on a number of their farms. We encounter one another at the stores, restaurants, gas stations, and at friend's homes.

I was kicked off a few farms because my daughters were trapping with me. I was told many times my daughters had no business killing animals and it would screw them up for becoming a mom. I have been looked down upon and ridiculed because I joined "that church". My daughter's friend was approached in public and solicited to have a threesome (by a board member). Ironically, at a stop light I observed a board member stopped at the light with Queen rocking on the radio and they were singing right along with it. So you blast one gay composer with no lyrics, and its ok to sing the songs of a gay rock star??? Where does this end and common sense come back. Told my wife this morning I don't want my grandkids in a school governed by this communist MAGA group. I don't want them indoctrinated into a society that believes there is only 1 way to worship god, that a woman's place is being her husbands slave, John Deere is better than Case, and the narrow minded hypocrites should allow censorship and be dictators.

I came out of a parochial school. It wasn't a political setting, but it was an indoctrination to controlling by fear. The countless lies the pastors told us and scare tactics used to form kids into believing their lies is nearly indescribable. As I became a young adult and business owner, I'm grateful I saw past my childhood experiences. But what I am witnessing now is far beyond what I experienced and I can't help but wonder what this polar political landscape is going to do to our kids/grandkids??? I believed in the Watertown School District and my daughters have an outstanding education. These freaks are going to destroy it for future generations in name of "preventing liberals" . The only issue we had was the perception made by these freaks that we had a issue. Now they take everything to an extreme and blame liberals for the problem they are trying to convince us that exists. I know we are not the only small community experiencing this. Tman generally has a sampling from across the county of small and rural areas. How are you guys combatting this???

There's extremes on both sides, also a lot of hypocrisy on both sides...reasonable people are drowned out by the bullies..on both sides.
I'm afraid there is no common ground any more , or civility...

hypocrisy lives on every side of political issues...it's a human condition.

We're experiencing a pendulum effect from it swinging too far the other direction.

My kids go to a private school that share similar values as our family so I don't have to deal with a lot of non-conforming radical views...yet. I combat the weirdo's by being involved with my kids life and trying to be the best parent that I can. Its all you can do.

ol dad

[quote=gcs]...reasonable people are drowned out by the bullies..on both sides.
.[/quote]


That was very obvious last night. The more extreme the view, the louder they talked/yelled and just screamed over the sensible person that was talking.

We never encountered or had the California issues of kids peeing in a sand box and all the other weird stuff that was rumored. Suddenly when time for electing board members came around we had problems that we never actually had. But these guys did a good job of convincing people that we did. My concern is we went from center to way past extreme far right. So the pendulum affect is now in motion here and we became a political ping pong ball

generally speaking, extreme right (or left) pendulum swings don't occur from middle-of-the-road, center-line conditions.

perhaps you missed something beforehand??

Anything that is a change is always looked as a negative in most cases. Our parents parents, and our parents have all said the same thing as the world changes no matter what it is or who. I sure don't look at it as the best are behind me now, on events and change of times. These events and opposing one another on matters has always been here in the world. I just look for the good and things will work out and make us stronger as a country and people.

The only thing worse than losing, is quitting!!!!

The swing happened because of a false perception they gave of us having the same problems that were projected in social media and regurgitated news. It was unbelievable how people bought into that. We didn't have the issues that were being slung around in social media. But when they started campaigning, holy crap did the lies start. Suddenly the sky was falling and all kids were programmed to be gay and pee in litter boxes - none of which was true. But the voters sure did buy into that narrative.

As said above - there are weirdo's on both sides of the aisle. You have to pick the side that has the fewest. It could just have easily been a bunch of trans and gays on the board, allowing trans males to compete against daughters in sports, tampons in boys bathrooms, cancellation of archery and trapshooting teams, etc. Nowadays, it seems like our best choice is the lesser two evils. You might have a landowner thinking it is wrong for your daughter to accompany you while checking your traps. Is that better or worse than a landowner thinking trapping is abhorrent for anyone? No one is perfect. Best most of us can do, is pick a side we can align with the most, whatever that may be.

I see mind rot everywhere.......even here

There is little question that the country has become very polarized. I'm pretty certain I know why.

I wish I could tell you I wasn't seeing the same thing, but I am.

I am not sure if they realize the hypocrisy in what they do or are some how just that oblivious.


for the record I disagree with the tactics and hypersexuliation of everything but I disagree with it for strait people also. I think Gay people should invest their time in the same quality of relationships that I think strait people should. Just because they aren't going to accidentally have a pregnancy doesn't mean they should sleep around.

think were we could be as a society if gay and strait worked hard at having quality marriages based on more than lust.

…. Hey yall quit your griping in here …. You understand me ?

This stupidity is not sustainable in the long term. It will correct itself.

It's not really about politics it's about the condition of the heart and mind of people.

I think the problem is the LGBT stuff has been rammed down so many peoples throats they are a little gun shy about letting any of it creep back in.

I'm just guessing, but it wouldn't surprise me if the music teacher was using this singer to spur classroom debate where he/she could "expand" the students minds. Couple of kids probably came home with music class stories.

School board here has parents of teacher on it so there is always raises going on. And they did vote to outlaw cell phones in classes but still voted down seat belts in busses

Agreed. For ever action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. The Law of Motion applies to more than just a physical object.

In regards to your thread title-“ Best years are behind me now” the answer from a 79 year old man is yes!

I believe mankind was destined to destroy itself. I believe we're well on the way.

People tolerate everything. People complain but never do anything about it. America got soft. It's not by accident either.

"A Mother of a Revolution" is a 2019 wind ensemble composition by Omar Thomas celebrating the bravery of trans women, particularly Marsha P. Johnson, and commemorating the Stonewall uprising."

Anyone that thinks music celebrating a violent riot with hundreds of fires, massive vandalism and police officers being stoned with bricks is appropriate in a school is no conservative.

This is typically now performed with it.



Keith

I've also witnessed people drinking kool-aid.......who normally wouldn't

if they were voted in, they ARE the best judgement of the community at the moment.

Everybody loves "democracy", until it goes against THEIR wishes.

True dat

Absolutely! There are many adults today (a generation beneath me for sure) that do NOT have any idea what Communism is! Born too late to see it and born late enough that they were not taught what Communism is or isn’t but will throw the term out there just to show negativity. You can find that train of thought today on about any college campus 2 generations below me!

So many of the adult in the generation below me and their kids I know, I wish they could have gone to school in the 50s & 60s, our Country would be in a better place then we are today INMHO!

Context is everything. If this musical piece is celebrating anything to do with the George Floyd riots, I can't support it in any way. George Floyd's death is not something to be commemorated in any way. He was a criminal who died while breaking the law. I have tons of friends in Europe and I can tell you the perception of America was irreparably damaged by the George Floyd riots. Allowing those riots to continue as long as we did was the biggest mistake America has made in recent history.

"The music teacher at the highschool selected a wind ensemble to be played this spring that was written by a gay or trans composer."

Read this and wondered, How many wind ensembles aren't written by gay composers? And most of the music teachers I recall seemed a bit light in the loafers as well. But whatever.

The part I really don't understand is how the actions (or overreactions) of this school board make them some sort of MAGA freaks. Is there some sort of MAGA initiative against gay music composers that I'm not aware of?

It's the kool-aid

The musical piece was written in celebration of violent riots by gay people. Music praising violent gay riots doesn't belong in American schools.

Marsha P. Johnson, who the music celebrates, was an infamous male prostitute. Gay, or any prostitution, is not appropriate for a school to promote.

There's a big difference between banning the music of a composer because they are gay and banning music because it celebrates a violent riot and male prostitution.

Keith

How does a guy from Ohio get on a school board in Wisconsin?

l talked to one of my best friends who left the OBX 30 years ago and liquidated everything and moved to Montana. Everything he greets me with the same line.
“lm watching the USA self destruct from a good place”
l tease him and tell him its a good place till one of the nuke silos about a mile from his house torches off then his house will burn down from the brush fire.

He simply can not believe what radicals are doing and he lives in a place where if a neighbor has a problem everyone comes to help in any way possible no matter what.
We need to get back to that.

And maybe ship some members of congress and the senate somewhere on a one way / no return ticket.

If you think things are extreme on the right now, just wait until this generation of far-right, non-MAGA people take over. 5 to 10 years from now you'll be wishing conservatives protesting a gay pride ensemble at a school was all you had to complain about.

I'm very glad a school board member had the cajones to speak out against such perversion., but should have done it sooner There are only 1 million other woodwind ensembles that could have been chosen. The teacher purposely chose to try and make a statement with his/her/they/ them choice of songs. Do you think the teacher somehow forgot to let the students know that this was a celebration of the trans/gay/lesbian lifestyle? That lifestyle of perversion should never be celebrated. Kids get enough nastiness poured into them; they don't need the teachers doing it as well. Men of America- stand up for your kids and your values. ANd no, I'm not a MAGA guy.

Hopefully the effect of the law of motion isn't that severe. However, we as a nation have been marching steadily left for sometime now if the Constitution is considered to be the true center.

… yall yanks did it to yourselves lol

…look at this

Admit it-Youd love to catch him paddling a canoe down your river,composing a banjo tune.

Boco 1 Savell 0
And they’re OFF…….

When you have a vast majority of parents during public hearing telling the board in a calm manor that they want their kids to proceed, there is no need for board members to tell them to shut up, scream at them, tell them they don’t F’n care, stop or prevent them from talking- they are not caring out their responsibility as a board member.

I personally don’t think this music selection is best choice and it adds gas to the fire. That should have been addressed 7 months ago. But board members acting worse than undisciplined toddlers is pathetic. I didn’t vote for this. I voted for members that campaigned on upholding the interests of the community. Then these elected members shut out public hearing and refused to listen to the communities’ comments. That is following their own agenda and blatantly ignoring public comments.

Lots and lots of parents around the country would love to have a school board like that.

So how were they screaming and cussing at parents in a public hearing if they shut out a public hearing? This is making less and less sense.....

… not sure what the MAGA people are mad about anyway

… I mean Trump runs around dancing to YMCA lol

2 different people working at my Dr officed( one appointment less to you need another specialist ASAP today) were from Cuba.

Talking with them for 5 minutes and you very quickly realize how pathetic 90% + of what people complain and argue about is. Our first world probles are a joke .

With my health doing what it has been I have very little patience for irrelevant nonsense. Bicker or argue around me nope im gone. Not listening to it. Its bad enough I drove 127 miles to work 2 weeks ago. The bos and hourly guy were arguing over procedures whan I walked in. I told the boss im not listening to the bs im leaving and drove back home. I was there 5 min. Probably worse when your not feeling well and up tight.

Point is things have been going to crap a long time I cand have any affect on most of it so im not going to spend time and effort thinking about things I cant change. When a situation is not where I want to be I leave. Makes things a lot simpler and productive.

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We are happy people.

Pretty certain I do as well, but I believe the catalyst occurred eight years earlier than you think

Barack Hussein Obama, "If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon.". It should have been, "There are still some problems in America, but as evidenced by my own election, we have made enormous progress and will continue to do so."

Keith

LOL People I used to respect, are loosing it!
Just relax , don't believe everything you see or hear on MSM.
Paul might be right , shut the site down, too many have lost it!

Amazing , isn't it

It used to take subliminal messages to trick the mind

Now it's straight up lies to the face rotting what use to be normal people's minds .....lol

Pretty certain I do as well, but I believe the catalyst occurred eight years earlier than you think[/quote]

Barack Hussein Obama, "If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon.". It should have been, "There are still some problems in America, but as evidenced by my own election, we have made enormous progress and will continue to do s

The real problem is that everyone has become too comfortable in their lives.
They're not paying attention to what's happening in the real world.
Hey it doesn't bother me, it's way over there.
It's not my family.
I just want to live in my own little world, could care less what others think.
What happens, happens, no problem until it happens to them.
We've become too complacent , and really don't know what's going on.
Nobody paid attention to how kids were reacting to everything.
The war in Vet Nam was over ( how many different reasons) taking everyone's lives.
Propaganda was effecting everyone , one way or another.
It's just like the illegal immigrants now!
We always allowed immigrants to come here on work permits.
They came here and made more money in a growing season, than years working in Mexico.
They came here made money , and went home a lot better off than before.
So don't give me that crap that you can't get people to pick your strawberries.
They've been allowed for as long as I can remember.
They're not the problem, it's those that come here to get free care.
And Obama set it all up.

yotetrapper30 - I was not there in person, however my wife and I were listening to a live stream. I assume it was one of my wife's friends that streamed via her phone. So we were picking up a lot of the off-mic comments as well as the "formal" speaking. As soon as anyone from the public said anything that didn't conform to the board members view, the board members went nuts. They in a raised volume voice - up to screaming - told the public speaker to Stop, shut up, that's enough, I don't care - SHUT UP.....and so on. It was surreal to listen to. Then add in all the very unprofessional comments off-mic. 5 year old kids would have had a much more civilized conversation.

So applying their tactics here - Imagine if every time you typed a response that didn't conform to my view, I was able to delete it. If you typed it again, I deleted it again and suspended your ability to post for 10 minutes , and so on. Sure is a pathetic method of censorship. Or another way to look at it. You go to court and the DA makes an opening statement accusing you of molesting a child. Your called to the stand and as you begin to state your case of innocence, the judge tells you to shut up, that's enough, quit talking and tells you you're guilty and sentences you to 30 years in prison with no appeal process.

Our elected members should be leaders, regardless of personal opinion. Successful leaders should have integrity, respect, empathy, and accountability amongst other traits. These idiots made themselves look worse than any of the Liberal Karens that famously pop up in social media that we all laugh at. We didn't have a problem in our district until these clowns fabricated problems based on issues elsewhere in the country. Now they are applying dictatorship means to what was a balanced system. I realize other districts out there have issues and it takes some bold leaders to bring it back to center. We didn't have that problem and the way these idiots conduct themselves is an embarrassment to the community and loses all credibility.

It also sets up the next round of failure that our community will endure. Because these people have chosen to stoop to such a low, you know the counter movement will be the extreme Liberals taking over and move the scale even further in the opposite direction.

so, didn't you say (in your second post), that these Board members led with these ideas for the election ["We never encountered or had the California issues of kids peeing in a sand box and all the other weird stuff that was rumored. Suddenly when time for electing board members came around we had problems that we never actually had. But these guys did a good job of convincing people that we did."?]...

seems to me that these Board members were quite up-front about their mindset DURING the Election Cycle. They tapped into the majority of Voters who believe that the Community was at risk of the Woke bs that has infected so many other communities. Clearly, you are in the Minority, since these Board Members WERE (in fact) elected by espousing these views.

which brings me back to my point...everybody loves democracy; until the results go against their wishes.

another point that bothers me...if they were just performing a "wind ensemble" musical piece, how is it even relevant (enough so that they had to send out parental notifications 7 months ago) who wrote the piece? there has to be more to the story...thinking there WAS going to be some indoctrination planned.

it would be tough to imagine parental notifications were needed for a purely instrumental "wind ensemble". That music teacher had an agenda besides showcasing an instrumental composition.

You can only listen to these woke wing nuts for so long. They immediately go to screaming and name calling when they realize they are not going to get their way. I wouldn’t blame the board for (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) them up. I’d actually cheers the board for doing it.

The only way to fight the dangers of incrementalism is to stop it before it starts. You’ll be accused of being a paranoid, anti whatever and worse, but it’s the only way.

Correct white marlin. It does not add up. Definitely a lot geting left out or missed by the original poster.

…. You think the site should be shut down because not everyone agrees with you

… a bit dramatic don’t you think lol

Because everything is offensive and everyone gets butt hurt, the new policy is (paraphrasing) parental notification of everything that is done in and associated with the classroom.

Board members were quite up-front about their mindset DURING the Election Cycle FALSE! They didn't campaign on disregarding public comment and following their own agenda. They campaigned on a lie - to have integrity and support the community and follow the community's wishes. I expect this behavior out of uneducated extreme liberals that feel it is their duty to determine what is best no matter what - clearly why I don't vote for them.

Maybe I have too high of standards???? To listen to these board members be so disrespectful to the people that elected them (yes, I voted for them too) and totally ignore their comments is horrifying. What does this teach the kids??? To disrespect, ignore, yell, and throw a fit when someone disagrees with you..... I expect better. Set the example. Demonstrate leadership by listening, evaluating others opinions, being respectful to others, be the calm one in the room, guide the conversation and ask the appropriate questions to guide the communications. All of which were not done in this meeting. If I conducted business this way I would never work again.

so, how many Parental Notifications do they send out each day?

sorry...not buying your hysterics.

I don't think expecting some decorum during public hearings, no matter the politics of the attendees, rises to the level of hysterics

the hysterics I referenced was the "Everything in the classroom requires parental notification".

waiting to hear how many Parental Notifications they send out each day.

perhaps he can post a few of the more common ones...

"communist MAGA group" tells me all I need to see where OP is coming from

I don't know the exact number as I am no longer a parent of a child in the system. My daughter sends out what looks like a novel for first grade, kind of funny, but its an outline of the years syllabus, outline of what/who's books used, reference material, what structured teaching method and the list goes on and on. So I only know limited details of the mailings. Like I said, I'm not a parent with a child in the system so my knowledge comes from wife and daughter that works in the system


"communist MAGA group" tells me all I need to see where OP is coming from I probably should have been better at the description of their actions. Undisciplined - pathetic -POS - complete embarrassment to the Republican party - worse than a 3 year old terrorist that has nothing more than a sperm and egg donor.

I did a little checking of the news...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/w...nt-concert/ar-AA232l1U?ocid=BingNewsSerp

sounds like it was YOUR side of the aisle that shouted down the Board's public discussion, following a five-times extended public comment period.

YOUR???? did you wake up smoking crack??? Do not lump me into either of the pathetic extreme group. Keep in mind that is a very small snippet. What you are not seeing/hearing is the bantering started by the board and all the off-mic comments that were extremely unprofessional. I agree as time went on, the entire situation of both board and public got much worse - a heck of a lot worse that what was in the news. Who could have controlled the demeaner of the meeting - THE BOARD! they failed

Yep...when I got to this part of the Op's post....I stopped reading and filed it where I put all the rest of that nonsense.

Quick question why are you so worked up wanting to argue on the internet. You clearly choose to overlook a tha non stop crap the left has been doing thw last decade plus. The 2nd you preciever someone on the right may act the same way. You expose your passion mouthing off about maga. And when someone take the time to show the left doing what you are claiming the right was you deflect, make excuses, anything to attempt to defend your clearly Biased beliefs .

Im sure you dont see how it looks. Good luck man. Sounds like your on track to be unhappy and miserable wasting time and energy on things you cant control.

Maybe people have learned that the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Trappers should know this well because anti's are always the squeaky wheel and trappers lose out in their civility.
It's hard for me to comment on conservative vs. liberal in WI politics because probably 90 percent of WI conservatives would be considered liberal in Arkansas.

What I am finding most humorous about this is that the OP must never watching any meetings of congress on CSPAN. What he is describing sounds pretty tame compared to what goes on in the halls of congress these days.

You said your wife and daughter worked in the system. Wondering, do they belong to a teacher's union?

Of course they do,,

Apparently the OP is strongly in favor of a piece of music glorifying a male prostitute, as the mother of a violent riot, where many police officers were hurt by bricks and other objects thrown at them, being taught to school children and performed by them.

Keith

How ya'all doing today?

So let me get this right... band kids were practicing for a year and have been planning a band concert at the school playing instruments with no lyrics and there is a huge outcry b/c a gay person composed the piece? Did I miss something? Its not pushing any agenda right? How is this indoctornating children? Do you have any idea how many TV shows, movies, books, and the such were written by someone gay? I don't think the kids are going to think anything about anything. They are learning music and playing an instrument for the parents and grandparents to hear. I don't think they'll be marching out of the school in a gay pride parade or anything.

The performance:
https://youtu.be/R6ieR-YZ4eY?si=0aRxdRpNP_tPdF7r

Of course, the old indoctrination card gets played. LOL It's wild how that card gets played so often but not actually towards the greatest institutions of indoctrination out there.

Anyways, the reason is simple. You send end the note out to prevent the old "we didn't know anything about this" card from being played. Where I work 10 notes a week go out informing parents of things coming down the pipe. Why? Well, you learn to when you have to deal with complaining about not informing about everything under the sun. I'll bet they learned their lesson from something they previously deemed not relevant enough to worry about.

Are you saying that a teacher could use a Louis Lamour book to teach a short story without actually trying to indoctrinate children into becoming lawmen, cattle rustlers, beer parlor maiden users or gunslingers? Obviously I am being sarcastic towards the softies that cry indoctrination all of the time.

The song is in honor of a gay prostitute, who is the "mother" in Mother of a Revolution and a violent riot, which is the "revolution" in the title. Anyone who thinks songs about those topics are appropriate songs for children is not a conservative and supports grooming children for homosexuality.

Keith

So, these "off mic" comments were not really meant for the public discussion?

Theres no lyrics right?

so, why the need for parental notification? I'm fairly certain the music teacher must have had the intention to explain the significance of the composition...in order to trigger the parental notification.

If it was me I would have sent a note home to CYA in case someone happen to over react at a school board meeting or something. Not like that would ever happen. If the teacher is a nut doing what you are saying then I guess I agree but I don't see why we should assume they are doing that. Did it say something to that effect?

You guys have never rocked out to a song and realized it was Queen? Does that really ruin someones day? Thats all Im saying.

I'm saying that if the real intent was just to perform a difficult composition, there would have been no reason to make an issue of, or even mention the backstory; no reason to trigger the parental notification requirement; no reason to bring up anything of the sort.

There's a huge, beyond incredibly obvious difference, to most people, in listening to or performing a song by a gay composer, than in making children perform a song in honor of a gay male prostitute, who is being portrayed as a mother of a violent riot, where law enforcement officers had deadly force (bricks, rocks, bottles and more) used to injure them and buildings occupied by people were set on fire, jeopardizing their lives. How can you or anyone else not grasp this?

Keith

Show me a song performed by queen that was in honor of trans riots

I agree and am more likely to assume its just a bunch of people making a big deal out of nothing. Someone show me where the teacher is preaching to the kids like everyone is assuming then we can get a can of fuel and take care of it but until then there sure seems to be a lot of reading into it making a big deal to do about nothing.

Show me a trumpet solo that makes you feel queer.

… all of them do

Haha!

I've never felt queer listening to fat bottom girls lol

They should of chosen “Lola” from the kinks

"JoJo was a man who thought he was a woman..."

"Dude looks like a lady..."

none of these others glorify riots.

if the music teacher has those proclivities, I'd say it's a safe bet that there were classroom discussions planned around the composer's backstory.

Clearly not a single person would care or know anything about it if it was just sheet music being played. Its likely th teaching all about the riot and why these song was wrote by a liberal teacher pushing an agenda. There b is a reason the teacher picked this song over tha thousand of others after all.

But not they will argue like that was not the goal. Very similar to how thay try to claim Islamic terrorism is just a small group distorting Islam. That Islam is just a religion of peace and love. Islam is a religion of death convert or die cult once you look into it.

But but its just a music with no words. Sure but your leaving out all ti classroom lessons teaching about the event that inspired the composition of said song. Taught in a way making the even look positive.

Not sure why everyone is trying to burn someone at the stake by convicting them with a firm “likely” or “im pretty sure”…

lol. I figured that was “T” ’d up for someone lol

because it makes no sense to issue a Parental Notification, if no one was being taught the origin/backstory of the piece!

it follows logically then, that the music teacher intended to introduce the backstory to they's students.

did they issue Parental Notifications for every OTHER piece of music they intended to perform?

if not, a reasonable person would ask himself "why DIDN'T they feel the need to do so for the rest of the concert's playlist; but they DID feel the need for THIS one?"

No, that is not possible. They must be trans lawmen, cattle rustlers, etc. Otherwise this would be no fun at all.

…. Everyone just passing over that he’s an African on top of being queer

…. I’m with OW … just shut this place down…. Everyone has become entirely too tolerant lol

Today I learned that because I don’t want my children to perform a sing written by an anti white sexual pervert I’m a communist

I think that puts you in a protected class. You should embrace it. Move to California and file for reparations.

Ol dad

Isn't this supposed to be a trapping forum? Just sayin'...

Think you're thinking of strictly trapping. This is the discuss whatever you would around a campfire or at a bar section.



Not to nitpick but JoJo was just a loner. It was Loretta that was confused about his gender.



Well, the band teacher pretty much said as much in that article OB posted about it...

“The purpose behind studying Mother of a Revolution is not to provoke controversy, but to deepen students’ understanding of how music reflects the diverse experiences of humanity,” LaDew wrote. “Engaging with this piece helps foster empathy, cultural awareness, and respect for the stories and struggles that shape our shared history.”

…. Then start a trapping post dude

… last thing I saw you put in here was about baseball

The purpose behind studying Mother of a Revolution is not to provoke controversy, but to deepen students’ understanding of how music reflects the diverse experiences of humanity,” LaDew wrote. “Engaging with this piece helps foster empathy, cultural awareness, and respect for the stories and struggles that shape our shared history.”

…. About as commie as it gets right there

…. I miss Pat Buchanan

Pinko....

Very true... you got me.

… dang …. I was hoping you would get mad and we could fight lol

There's too much of that on here already...lol

I assume there are lyrics when the band is practicing playing the song. When the band play s it there would not be lyrics. The weeks of classroom practice and “discussion” on the meaning of the song and other bs is where the fear of attempted indoctrination is.

Back when the show MASH was on TV, our band instructor composed the music for us to play in the band. We played the song for a number of events, and everyone loved it. Someone figured out that the name of the song was "Suicide is Painless" and complained to the school board. We were banned from playing it as it promoted suicide. I wouldn't have even known the song had a name other than "Theme from Mash" if they hadn't made such a deal over it.

It’s actually easy to learn that it is a wind ensemble with no lyrics. Making assumptions that there are deep classroom discussions on lyric interpretation in the name of indoctrination, when there are not even lyrics to discuss seems right on par with this commonly created narrative.

But hey, crank the speakers up in the truck while we blast this country song glorifying getting wasted on beers, smoking reefers and having copious amounts of sex with strangers. Nothing to see here, the artist wears a cowboy hat. Lol

…. Not sure what the big deal is

… everyone in band is already gay anyhow

But Hank Jr. ain't a tranny.......
(I think)