Why do you think Judus had to kiss Jesus?
So the guards knew which Jesus to arrest, because there was more than one in the garden that night

Copying a document well in no way whatsoever means that document is truthful. What a bizarre thought process.

Keith

C'mon, modern MSM says the exact same thing over and over and over. You mean it's NOT true?? LOL

Copying a document well in no way whatsoever means that document is truthful. What a bizarre thought process.

Keith

Interesting that not one archeological discovery has disproved the Bible, but many have been discovered that prove the Bible's accuracy. Many rivers, mountains, valleys, cities, kings, battles, even scribes and priests.

I found this interesting. Thought you people that think the Bible is false would like to see this.

Archeology has proven a lot of Biblical events that were previously thought to be myths true. But archeology also proves that mankind, and the world, has been around waaaaaaaaaay longer than 6000 years, which directly contradicts the Bible.

Husky, if your wrestling with whether or not the religion you've been taught is real, trapperman is not the place to do research.

Husky, if your wrestling with whether or not the religion you've been taught is real, trapperman is not the place to do research.

So lets start with what the Bible says.......

1. The Bible says in Genesis 1 that Adam was the first man.

2. In Luke 3:23-38, a complete genealogy from Jesus back to Adam is given, it has 77 generations by my count.

3. The ages of several of the folks listed in that genealogy are listed in various places in the old testament, and after the flood the Bible says that humans can only live a maximum of 120 years.



If all three of those pieces of information are true, then man has only been around for 6000ish years. IF man has been around for more than 6000ish years, then at least one of the following must be true.......



1. Some guy named Adam that lived 6000ish years ago wasn't the first man, contradicting Genesis 1

2. The genealogy is incorrect, and there were alot more generations between adam and Jesus, contradicting Luke 3:23-38

3. The ages of the folks listed is wrong and/or some folks after the flood lived waaaaaaay longer than 120 years.


We know that's not true though. Humans have been around more than 6000 years. We've been in North America alone for at least 14,000 years, some estimates say up to 25,000 years.

Every one of us will find out the truth one day.

This is true. These threads give me an instant knot in my stomach.
It’s not spirituality and faith that upsets me; it’s the constant battling over who has it all figured out. I certainly don’t.
When something like this is shoved down your throat all your life, you get an aversion to it. Husky I hope you can find peace in your own spirituality.

I think the kid just likes to stir the pot. He doesn’t seem to be questioning his beliefs, so much as looking for someone to disagree so he can defend his religion to quell his boredom. Not saying I don’t dip into the whiskey bottle and look for an argument now and again lol

I’ve always thought the Bible was a history of the times, as written by those who lived it, as they remembered it. My big issues have been with its interpretation by priests, ministers, bishops, rabbis, popes, prophets, professors and the like. Everyone has an opinion of who and what their God is. Everyone wants me to believe what they say is what the Bible contains. Every religion thinks it is the true way, and their interpretation is the only way.

I see all religions like trapping: Everything has qualifiers. No one lure catches them all. The wind and rain play havoc with the best laid plans. It boils down to the trapper and individual studying the situation, getting comfortable with the interpretation, and laying steel in a way that works for them.

Now, there are some universal truths in trapping.
1. A trap left in the truck doesn’t catch anything.
2. Otters are non-existent in Washington DC so don’t put your trap in the middle of a cement intersection.
3. Catching your aunt’s favorite cat will guarantee you a dope-slap or even worse.
4. Flooding makes it hard to stay clean.
5. Wet, muddy fur guarantees a low offer by the fur buyer.
6. Tainting bait in the basement makes loved ones less loving.

There are some universal truths about biblical stuff, too.
1. If you don’t open the Bible, you’ll never learn it’s contents.
2. The Bible was written by those who could read and write.
3. The Bible was written based on memories, and memories aren’t always accurate.
4. No one living today was present when the miracles performed by Jesus were done. We’re taking the memories, passed thru generations of interpretations, as truth.
5. The Bible is, essentially, a history book.

History tends to be written by the victors. Some of it is probably accurate but considering how much beverage was consumed from lead goblets, even that is suspect. If someone wants to believe in the words of the Bible, I’m all for it. But the way I see it, no book is perfect.

…. You’re probably right…. I liked it when he made another account to talk in his own posts …. That was pretty funny lol

Bishop John Shelby Spong (maybe he was an arch-bishop) made an interesting observation in one of his books. For the record, I only read one. In it, he said in the time of Jesus, heaven was thought to be at the level of the clouds. Since then, we’ve figured out how to see 100,000 light years away. Does that mean heaven moved? Or just our concept of it now that we can see further?

I’m still not convinced the earth and all we know took 7-days to make. Or that the sea parted due to a miracle. That may have worked when people didn’t understand the process of tsunamis and tectonic plate movements. Ask the people in the southern states that just went thru flooding if heavy rains aren’t a possibility.

A lack of knowledge doesn’t a miracle make. So says Yoda.

… there’d be a whole bunch lepors with their flesh rotting begging to be healed … Jesus over there spinning a bottle or something

… yall know the ones that didn’t get picked were fit to be tied….gauratee it lol


… the Levantine lottery or something lol

… there’s probably a reason… I just always thought it sucked for the rest of the colony

… maybe the winner found a golden ticket in a loaf of unleavened bread or something?

Maybe those lepers didn't believe....

How many versions of the Bible are there?

How many versions of the Bible are there? I googled it quickly some estimates up to 900, hundreds for sure. So does not what version you read affect what you believe?

Is the Book of Enoch or the Book of Giants in the Catholic Bible? Or any of the other Books mentioned in the OT? I need to get a good Catholic Bible, which one is the best?

Reason I ask is that I have two Qurans; one of them modern and one very old one I picked up. They are very different in their translations.

And remember, no one doubts Plato, or Aristotle, or Homer ever lived, so why do people doubt that Jesus lived when is much more evidence for his life than the others?

Is the Book of Enoch or the Book of Giants in the Catholic Bible? Or any of the other Books mentioned in the OT? I need to get a good Catholic Bible, which one is the best?

Reason I ask is that I have two Qurans; one of them modern and one very old one I picked up. They are very different in their translations.

Bishop John Shelby Spong (maybe he was an arch-bishop) made an interesting observation in one of his books. For the record, I only read one. In it, he said in the time of Jesus, heaven was thought to be at the level of the clouds. Since then, we’ve figured out how to see 100,000 light years away. Does that mean heaven moved? Or just our concept of it now that we can see further?

I’m still not convinced the earth and all we know took 7-days to make. Or that the sea parted due to a miracle. That may have worked when people didn’t understand the process of tsunamis and tectonic plate movements. Ask the people in the southern states that just went thru flooding if heavy rains aren’t a possibility.

A lack of knowledge doesn’t a miracle make. So says Yoda.

. Or that the sea parted due to a miracle.

A lack of knowledge doesn’t a miracle make. So says Yoda.

Gospel of Thomas is a gnostic text, not Canon because it's fake.,

curious how you know there was more than one Jesus present in that time and place...

could it be that Judas had to kiss Jesus because the soldiers didn't know Him personally? He was surrounded by 12 other guys.

Even most secular historians agree that Jesus was a real person that lived in Israel about 2000 years ago. What they disagree on is whether or not he was the Son of God that performed miracles and died and came back to life.

You don't think all those watching outside the Ark were a bit put off too? What about the family members of those turned into pillars of salt? How about Josephs brothers who threw him in a pit? Many, many will not be chosen and many will not choose Christ. He stands at the door knocking and many will not answer.......some of you think you are in control and have difficulty comprehending faith but yet you walk daily in your own faith of finding relief at the bottom of a bottle or a pill being prescribed or a job or finances. I have never met a drunk or an addict or a millionaire or someone perceived as having it all together that truly has peace that passes all understanding - without Christ. Many of you are truly unlearned in the Bible and have never put Gods Word to the test. Those of us that have, know He will never forsake us nor leave us no matter what life looks like to others - in that, my faith in Jesus Christ grows and I pray others research it for themselves. Become vulnerable - open up and cry out to the Lord and allow Him to speak to you through His Word. Challenge Him and see He is good. Don't take my word for it - gain your own experience, I can not grow your faith - only you.

I believe the book of Enoch was deemed fake also.

The Catholic Bible was compiled in the 4th century. The Protestant Bibles are all.derived from it. The Book of Enoch and The Book of Giants were rejected by the Catholic Church because they did not agree with church teachings.

Keith

We are given an opportunity. But opportunity means choice. Just because you chose your way, doesn’t mean your way needs to be mine. And vice versa.

We are given an opportunity. But opportunity means choice. Just because you chose your way, doesn’t mean your way needs to be mine. And vice versa.

Maybe those lepers didn't believe....

Where is the link for the fake fossils dating millions of years old?

The earth existed long before man, as we know him today ever inhabited it. The first chapter of Genesis says that at the beginning of time, God created heaven and earth. We don't know when that was. Earth was an empty waste and darkness hung over the deep. The earth was water covered until God caused the waters to recede. Who knows how old the earth is? More than the approximately 5,000 years since the existence of the first man, Adam that's for sure.

There is no doubt that dinosaurs and other creatures existed on the earth millions of years ago. The fossils prove it. We also know something wiped them out totally. God seems to cleanse the earth with water (the flood of Noah). Is that what happened to the creatures that lived during the time of the dinosaurs? Many bible scholars seem to think there was more than one flood prior to the flood of Noah.

The bible says God was sorry he ever made man. Looking at the mess we have in the world today, I believe it.

An interesting question: what do people think of the Bible’s prophecy that Israel would be reestablished? In the entire history of mankind no other nation has been completely destroyed and spread throughout the world and then showed back up again.

What verse are you thinking of? Seems to me that already happened.

Husky
What future prophesy or prophecies do you believe have yet to be fulfilled?

Who cares about any of this. You either believe or don't. I believe in a mud creek bank a cold beer and a pretty young woman that hasn't figured out I wear a touppee

Things such as the coming of the Anti-Christ, the Second Coming of Christ, and the eventual destruction of the earth.

Im confused. Ecclesiastes 1:4 says the earth will be here forever.

One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.

Nero was anti Christ, but he was not THE Anti-Christ. The Bible says that when he is revealed the whole world will know.

Things such as the coming of the Anti-Christ, the Second Coming of Christ, and the eventual destruction of the earth.

https://answersingenesis.org/geolog...w6WvtOvLo8aNYjj8aqGQXI2Y9Yd2yomawP7bZbdZ


something for folks to ponder.

Chapter and verse? Everyone in the known world at the time was subject to Romes power weren't they?

Nero was anti Christ, but he was not THE Anti-Christ. The Bible says that when he is revealed the whole world will know.

I think Nimrod is most certainly the first representation of the antichrist.

Jesus tells us very plainly in nearly all the Gospels about what to expect. Especially in Matthew 24:37-39. Follow that rabbit hole Husky and see what was going on in the days of Noah.

Problem is, folks do more attending church than reading and understanding their very own Bibles IMO.

It's blasphemy to say that the Church has been compromised, but it has. Very few preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ anymore and what true salvation and redemption are. Many are "feel good" churches.
It is why membership in churches in the US is falling drastically.

Husky,

As far as the reliability of the Bible, Read and take to heart Psalm 22. It pretty much describes our Lord's sacrifice hundreds of years before it happened. The first verse is even the same as what Jesus cried out on the cross. Isaiah is good too. One either believes it or they don't. Not our job to prove them wrong; just live by Christ.

Chancey

It is why membership in churches in the US is falling drastically

I think it is because of all those stories like people surviving being tossed into a furnace, a talking snake, manna from heaven, surviving being eaten by a great fish, on and on.

Once you understand that Jesus is talking about the roman destruction of Jerusalem in Matthew 24, you can't unsee it. The verse that absolutely confirms it for me is when he talks about the vultures or eagles gathering around the carcasses. The Roman armies had eagles on thier shields. Plus Jesus plainly says it was to happen in that generation. You might be wondering about stars falling etc, but that is common hyperbolic language used in OT prophecy.